Mumbai-style attack in Nairobi

[TommyGunn]

These are extremely graphic and sad. I find them to be motivating to brush up my marksmanship and other survival skills against the day the violence is attempted upon me or my family.

http://totallycoolpix.com/2013/09/graphic-the-west.....

They certainly are BOTH graphic & sad ... I'd say tragic.   
Be armed but you better have a plan to get you and yours OUT... one person going up against organized (and these terrorists seemed very well organized) is surely a no-win scenario.

[Jocassee]

They certainly are BOTH graphic & sad ... I'd say tragic.   
Be armed but you better have a plan to get you and yours OUT... one person going up against organized (and these terrorists seemed very well organized) is surely a no-win scenario.

I am thankful to say that if something like this was attempted in my local mall it could be stopped or at least diminished by the presence of armed citizens.

I expect once all the debriefings are done on the Kenya murders we will have a better idea of the MO of these savages.

[TommyGunn]

I am thankful to say that if something like this was attempted in my local mall it could be stopped or at least diminished by the presence of armed citizens.

I expect once all the debriefings are done on the Kenya murders we will have a better idea of the MO of these savages.

While I am VERY pro 2A I have the unfortunate belief that it is more likely that terrorists would plan something like this in places like Washington D.C., or New York City.  That is someplace where the prevailing "ethic" is antigun and it would be most likely there would be no CCW owners and only armed police/security who wear pressed and dressed "bull's-eyes" -- ie., uniforms.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

While I am VERY pro 2A I have the unfortunate belief that it is more likely that terrorists would plan something like this in places like Washington D.C., or New York City.  That is someplace where the prevailing "ethic" is antigun and it would be most likely there would be no CCW owners and only armed police/security who wear pressed and dressed "bull's-eyes" -- ie., uniforms.

i wish i could disagree   but i fear greatly you are right  though they better stay north and west of the capital in dc or they might get a surprise

[vaskidmark]

They certainly are BOTH graphic & sad ... I'd say tragic.   
Be armed but you better have a plan to get you and yours OUT... one person going up against organized (and these terrorists seemed very well organized) is surely a no-win scenario.

Here's the thing - if I am with "mine" then my priority is to get me and them out and away, not to engage the shooter(s).  The rest of the washed and unwashed masses are on their own until, at the very least, "mine" are out of physical harm's way and have had at least initial dealings with the hysteria/shock/outrage/blood lust that finding ourselves in such a situation might engender.

Fair warning - the next person who suggests that because I carry (at least one) a firearm I am a "Sheepdog" will find themselves in need of an Animal Control Officer to fill out the report made necessary by my response to them having said that.  Shots for rabies, distemper, mad cow disease and a high-grade systemic antobiotic might all be in order as well.

stay safe.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

you guys see the woman the kenyans are looking for?

[AZRedhawk44]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2430201/Kenyan-Mall-Massacre-Off-duty-SAS-soldier-handgun-saved-100-lives.html

I had wondered about the white guy with a gun in the original round of pictures.

That guy is a hero.  H.E.R.O.

I wonder what Obama's dad would have to say about him?



ETA:  Skid, suggesting the SAS guy is a hero for repeatedly saving innocents in this situation in no way implies that you (or I or anyone else) have any obligation to mimic his actions.  That's some above and beyond stuff and something that were it to happen here in the US in lay life, is grounds for conferring the Presidential Medal of Freedom upon a person.  Heck, this might even still stand for grounds for this gentleman.  I hope the Queen knights him for this or something.

[tokugawa]

Sorry to disagree, but the current mess, they guy would probably be charged with illegal carry or something.
 
About the only action that would confer  praise on an armed individual citizen would be saving a politician or a cop.

 The lousy bastards did not even confer an award on the hero's on flight 93, who probably saved a bunch of them.

[vaskidmark]

AZRedhawk44 -

I agree with you completely.  Doing something like that in lay life is grounds for a Presidential Medal of Freedom - so long as all the proper permissions were obtained in advance.

Elsewise, it's grounds for some other sort of "award".

And BTW, if I knew where to send it, I'd put a pallet of his favorite beer on a FedEx International flight and pay the extra to make sure it arrived warm the way the Brits like it.  He clanks so loudly that CDC recommends earplugs if within three blocks of where he is walking.

stay safe.

[SADShooter]

I like to think that, were I in a position to engage appropriately, I would act in such a situation. I'm not married, have no children, and I believe the people who might miss me would understand. I also feel that, if we hope/want to reverse the nanny state trend, citizens need to demonstrate that action is possible before state authority intervention.

All of that said, I will not judge or fault anyone whose obligations preclude the same philosophy. Honoring one's commitments is, in my opinion, the finest and most important demonstration of humane behavior, with its own heroism.

[tokugawa]

The latest from the "news" is that the victims were horrifically  tortured- true? who knows.

 

[agricola]

The latest from the "news" is that the victims were horrifically  tortured- true? who knows.

It is definately possible, though it should also be pointed out that the torture claims emerged on the same day that at least one Kenyan official admitted that the collapse of part of the mall was due to some Kenyan soldiers hitting one of the supporting columns with an RPG.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/27/kenya-military-westgate-mall

[Hutch]

The pic of the dead couple, with the man's arm over the woman, moved me deeply.