Krokodil is here

[erictank]

"It's morphine Mr. Suprynowicz.  It's for my Mom."  

(obscure sf-nal reference that AZR might actually get.)

I get that one too. Only reason I'd slow down if a broach opened would be to get my family.

[BlueStarLizzard]

There is a fledgling program (was, is, IDK if it's still going on) in a big city in Canada where a free shelter type place was offered for junkies to shoot up. Nurses on staff, clean needles and rehab services where all provided.

I actually would be ok paying for something like that. It cuts down on the spread of transmutable deases, keeps the junkies from doping up or dieing in the streets and provides rehab services (always good)

It basically worked as save who they can and have a central location and collection point for those intent on killing themselves.

And it's probably cheaper then the War on Drugs, too.

[Fitz]

There is a fledgling program (was, is, IDK if it's still going on) in a big city in Canada where a free shelter type place was offered for junkies to shoot up. Nurses on staff, clean needles and rehab services where all provided.

I actually would be ok paying for something like that. It cuts down on the spread of transmutable deases, keeps the junkies from doping up or dieing in the streets and provides rehab services (always good)

It basically worked as save who they can and have a central location and collection point for those intent on killing themselves.

And it's probably cheaper then the War on Drugs, too.

I recently read a follow up about that. They've seen an impressive reduction in overdose deaths and other issues in that city

[BlueStarLizzard]

I recently read a follow up about that. They've seen an impressive reduction in overdose deaths and other issues in that city

I belive it.

I hope the other libertarian types don't kill me for saying this, but I don't mind a certain number of social programs as long as the *expletive deleted*ing WORK.
Something like this, that could work and benifit society as a whole, there for, is a reasonable expense.

[AZRedhawk44]

I belive it.

I hope the other libertarian types don't kill me for saying this, but I don't mind a certain number of social programs as long as the *expletive deleted* WORK.
Something like this, that could work and benifit society as a whole, there for, is a reasonable expense.

I'd never kill you for saying anything.

However, will you send men with guns to take money from me against my will as long as 51% of you decide it's the right thing (i.e. your social programs)?

[BlueStarLizzard]

I'd never kill you for saying anything.

However, will you send men with guns to take money from me against my will as long as 51% of you decide it's the right thing (i.e. your social programs)?

You're like a heat seeking missle. Do you have a red light that flashes and a siren that goes off in your batcave to inform you when someone is having a statist moment or something?

[Ben]

I belive it.

I hope the other libertarian types don't kill me for saying this, but I don't mind a certain number of social programs as long as the *expletive deleted* WORK.
Something like this, that could work and benifit society as a whole, there for, is a reasonable expense.

That kind of a thing doesn't bother me if it's part of a general realignment and draw-down of govt services - like vastly cutting the war on drugs and using some of the money on a center like this - for a while. The hope would be that it would eventually turn into private charity. I don't care how many methadone clinics or rehab centers there are (to a point) if I'm not paying for them.

I'm also fine without 100% eliminating govt "social assistance". I would just want to see it severely restricted. I have no problem with some govt money going to help people whose homes have been wiped out by a hurricane. I also wouldn't have problems with some money helping people get a leg up if they had a personal catastrophe. For a short time only. Generally, helping of those who might otherwise go on welfare is best left to organizations like the Salvation Army, especially for longer periods and for things like retraining. If so many of my tax dollars didn't go to govt social programs that I have no say about, much more of my money would go to charitable organizations.

[AZRedhawk44]

You're like a heat seeking missle. Do you have a red light that flashes and a siren that goes off in your batcave to inform you when someone is having a statist moment or something?

My own little NSA supercluster.

[lupinus]

You're like a heat seeking missle. Do you have a red light that flashes and a siren that goes off in your batcave to inform you when someone is having a statist moment or something?

He has a sixth sense statism detector.

[MillCreek]

I recently read a follow up about that. They've seen an impressive reduction in overdose deaths and other issues in that city

This is Vancouver BC.  The concept is 'harm reduction': you probably can't get them to quit drugs, but you can provide measures to minimize the risk of them contracting Hep C, HIV and other issues, which ends up saving you healthcare dollars.  The same concept as the needle exchanges, although Vancouver takes it a step further.

[Boomhauer]

a consumer in a lower place in life than meth users.

There's lower than a meth user? How is that even *expletive deleted*ing possible?

[BlueStarLizzard]

Well, the obvious solution to meet all needs would be provide (or not provide) social welfare programs on a local level, rather then a State or Federal level.

That way the vote demigraphic would be more accurate to the needs of those people and if you don't like it, moving is a real option.

[BlueStarLizzard]

There's lower than a meth user? How is that even *expletive deleted* possible?

Well, you mix codine with gas and swish it around in a bucket and then inject it under your skin...

[Fitz]

Sounds like a party

APS meet up ?

[MillCreek]

So do you get Krokodil hookers, like you do with the meth hookers?  Only with the former, pieces fall off once you really get going?

[BlueStarLizzard]

Sounds like a party

APS meet up ?

what? And find out if krokidile addicts are flamable?

Because it's not an APS meetup if something doesn't go boom.

[lupinus]

So do you get Krokodil hookers, like you do with the meth hookers?  Only with the former, pieces fall off once you really get going?

Well if you like when they fall all over you...

[Boomhauer]

Well, the obvious solution to meet all needs would be provide (or not provide) social welfare programs on a local level, rather then a State or Federal level.

That way the vote demigraphic would be more accurate to the needs of those people and if you don't like it, moving is a real option.

This idea, I like it. That way in the hippy trippy areas they can have their druggie love-ins and out here in 'Murica we'll kill 'em for stealing our A/C units.

 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

been needle exchanges for decades.
good idea too

[Scout26]

I've got agree with Ben.  Let the problem solve itself.   The sad fact is that there are many, many people that would willingly adopt the children, who currently go to Russia, China, Africa etc, because attempting to adopt here is a complete and total joke.

Were I king, if you end up in an emergency room with heroin, meth, PCP or similar drugs in your system, your parental rights are instantly terminated and your children put-up for adoption in Scout26's "Pretty Much Like The Orphan Trains" adoption policy. 

[Pharmacology]

On the optimistic front, if this stuff leaves meth in the dust, does this mean they'll put the freakin' Sudafed back in the aisle with the other cold and allergy meds?

Doubt it.  The PSE  that people  buy from me and my crew behind the counter is not even an eensy weensy fraction of the PSE that the big meth operations use.

That stuff comes in truckloads from India.   There is *no* oversight in India... well... regarding any drug,  and the stranglehold that the FDA has on American medicine is laughable.

[dogmush]

Not going to link them here, but a google image search on krokodil is very disturbing.

Holy Crap!!!