Self Defense via SUV

[vaskidmark]

No CCW?  Me?  Gimpy, out-of-shape me?  There's going to be some body damage (sheet metal or protoplasm, does not matter which) once first contact is made.  (No, I do not conside ramming the front of the Range Rover first contact.  Pounding on the vehicle, trying to open a door, trying to smash a window all qualify.)

Apparently we all know to stay on the limited-access road and use all the territory between the guardrails to our advantage.  Heck, if a NASCAR driver can squeeze his opponent up against the wall, think how much fun a crotch-rocket driver* would have being squeezed?

I was a bit surprized to not see NYPD accompanying this "annual event" either to enforce their parade permit privileges or to see they obeyed the traffic laws.  Guess they are still too busy stopping and frisking everybody.

stay safe.

* - I will not refer to them as bikers".  At least for me that term connotes a certain species of motorcycle rider of which these were not.

[brimic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i98QrSSHxo4

[bedlamite]

This is the same crowd from earlier in the day. Gotta love all the German novelty helmets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xesQBsbxf_o

And the same group from earlier this year. Today's incident probably started similar to 1:15 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0ujSkztMRrs#t=60

[Fitz]

Now, in an ounce of fairness. From the video, how many bikers do you think clearly saw the white bike essentially try to commit suicide by ramming the front of the SUV? Half a dozen? The entire process was over in 3 seconds. With limited angles of viewing.

My guess is one stupid person did something stupid. Others responded without the necessary information. SUV owner spooked, ran. All of the pack saw the SUV crunch some bikes. Probably without seeing white bike playing stupid games in order to win the stupid prize. So, they pursued as a pack.

Failure of leadership. Hell, no one seemed to be thinking. Doesn't let the bikers off the hook for their crimes. Just saying, it's easy for things to get stupid when there's a LARGE chunk of information missing. If you started the video at the bike crunching, you'd think of things quite differently.

I've seen these types before

They look for excuses to *expletive deleted*ck with people

Even absent the brake checking, to surround him, force him to a stop, and beat on his windows.... They all saw this. Then, he careened through them

They deserved it. Too bad some didn't die

[Fitz]

No CCW?  Me?  Gimpy, out-of-shape me?  There's going to be some body damage (sheet metal or protoplasm, does not matter which) once first contact is made.  (No, I do not conside ramming the front of the Range Rover first contact.  Pounding on the vehicle, trying to open a door, trying to smash a window all qualify.)

Apparently we all know to stay on the limited-access road and use all the territory between the guardrails to our advantage.  Heck, if a NASCAR driver can squeeze his opponent up against the wall, think how much fun a crotch-rocket driver* would have being squeezed?

I was a bit surprized to not see NYPD accompanying this "annual event" either to enforce their parade permit privileges or to see they obeyed the traffic laws.  Guess they are still too busy stopping and frisking everybody.

stay safe.

* - I will not refer to them as bikers".  At least for me that term connotes a certain species of motorcycle rider of which these were not.

I've seen the same, and worse, behavior out of cruiser riders

It's not about the type of bike

[bedlamite]

I've seen the same, and worse, behavior out of cruiser riders

It's not about the type of bike

This.

[Fitz]

Also LOL at my new name

[BobR]

Well Dixie, it is also being discussed on several of the bike boards I visit also, and the consensus is the SUV driver should have gone motorcycle bowling.

And while we are at it, let's give some props to those guys at Range Rover, that 5000lb luxury SUV climbed right over those bikes. Good traction, good obstacle clearance. But then again, the Brits did invent four wheel drive.

Squids, they pull that crap in Seattle once a year now also, blocking traffic, stunting and generally being ... well... squids.

I took a little bit of grief for saying I would shoot the window smasher, but not much.

bob

[vaskidmark]

Well Dixie, it is also being discussed on several of the bike boards I visit also, and the consensus is the SUV driver should have gone motorcycle bowling.

And while we are at it, let's give some props to those guys at Range Rover, that 5000lb luxury SUV climbed right over those bikes. Good traction, good obstacle clearance. But then again, the Brits did invent four wheel drive.

Squids, they pull that crap in Seattle once a year now also, blocking traffic, stunting and generally being ... well... squids.
I took a little bit of grief for saying I would shoot the window smasher, but not much.

bob

If they pay for a parade permit, I have very few complaints.  Most would probably be about the cops not enforcing both the general laws and the parade permit restrictions.

I hear polycarbonate/polyethelene has replaced hickory.

stay safe.

[brimic]

Our local fairgrounds is a fairly popular campground for biker events during the summer- BMW owners, HOG, etc. Never any problems even with numbers ranging from 1000-15,000. A few years back a group which had oddly coincidentally similar demographics to those shown in the videos had a camp out weekend at the fairgrounds. Several brawls and a shooting occurred.

[Boomhauer]

Suggestions that he should have played ping pong with the rest is not legitimate self defense- that is offensive in nature.

Perfectly legit when they are trying to lynch you...

[seeker_two]

I'm appalled at the lack of motorcycle carnage involved in this incident. Try to kill me & mine, and you become fair game....and my game is Whack-A-Mole....

[wmenorr67]

Riders are lucky he wasn't CCW and that they weren't turned into grease spots on the road.  Do that to me and you're not only getting run over but try to open my door someone is getting hurt.  I might get a few bruises but you'll know you were in a fight.

[AJ Dual]

I want my next vehicle to have 4 wheel drive, and be one that's compatible with ARB brand bumpers/"brushguards".

[Hawkmoon]

Suggestions that he should have played ping pong with the rest is not legitimate self defense- that is offensive in nature.

Nope. They were chasing him AFTER having already attempted to assault him. THEY were on the offense, which means anything he might have done to defend himself and his family was defensive.

[Boomhauer]

I want my next vehicle to have 4 wheel drive, and be one that's compatible with ARB brand bumpers/"brushguards".

We can redneck engineer you a stout for hell war bumper...maybe with some nice spikes for more death power...
 

[AJ Dual]

We can redneck engineer you a stout for hell war bumper...maybe with some nice spikes for more death power...
 

Ya know... I was thinking about that. Although the finished commercial product looks better for when the lights are still on, and you have to get up in the morning and go to work.

But I like the spikes idea. Retractable somehow, kind of make it look like a plausible part of the car, at least to a cursory examination, and the "spikes" shouldn't be spiky at all. Make them somewhat blunt and square-edged, so they don't raise alarm or stand apart from normal "car trauma".  And retracting is also important for not getting hung up on bodies...

In the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE of course... not just some asshat squids.

[BobR]

The newest icon to be placed on the RR dash. 




bob

[Fitz]

Lol

[dogmush]

Despite his later tactical mistakes he started out with the right idea.  Were it me? Once they actively started pursuing me in my get away I would have gone on the offensive. Actively trying to bin them on jersey barriers and knock bikes down.  That large a mob makes for a huge disparity of force.

While I try not to be bloodthirsty, after watching all the linked videos I can't help but think some of that gang need to be killed by "victim" vehicles; pour le encourage les autres.

[Phyphor]

Despite his later tactical mistakes he started out with the right idea.  Were it me? Once they actively started pursuing me in my get away I would have gone on the offensive. Actively trying to bin them on jersey barriers and knock bikes down.  That large a mob makes for a huge disparity of force.

While I try not to be bloodthirsty, after watching all the linked videos I can't help but think some of that gang need to be killed by "victim" vehicles; pour le encourage les autres.

Yeah, there was definitely a need for some varmint culling...

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

there are true believers who believe the bikers were "done wrong" seek out those comments at your own risk

[wmenorr67]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/01/new-york-man-celebrating-first-anniversary-with-wife-child-left-for-dead-after/?intcmp=latestnews

They have found some of the people in the video and charges are being pursued.  One of the bikers is in a coma and more than likely paralyzed from the waist down.  His wife is crying about someone needs to pay.  No charges for the SUV driver.  Apparently the reason for getting off the highway was because his tires had been slashed and he was looking for an escape route.

[Tallpine]

If Obama had a son, would he be a member of a motorcycle gang ?   

[Boomhauer]

One of the bikers is in a coma and more than likely paralyzed from the waist down.  His wife is crying about someone needs to pay

Someone paid alright you stupid twit. Your husband, when he decided to be part of a mob assault on an innocent party...hell I think it's more satisfactory that he's paralyzed instead of dead, nothing like being a walking rolling reminder of what an idiot looks like for the rest of his life.