Government Regulations

[charby]

I'm kind of scratching my head about this.

So are modern governmental industry/business regulations there to protect citizens or are they there to protect large players in industry? I'm just thinking about the raw milk issues and how few meat packers there are compared to 30 years ago.

[Tallpine]

Keep scratching.  You'll figure it out 

[roo_ster]

I'm kind of scratching my head about this.

So are modern governmental industry/business regulations there to protect citizens or are they there to protect large players in industry? I'm just thinking about the raw milk issues and how few meat packers there are compared to 30 years ago.

The big boys just love them some barriers to entry.  That is why, many times, they are in on the regulation-crafting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barriers_to_entry

[RoadKingLarry]

how few meat packers there are compared to 30 years ago.

Some of that is due to automation and improved distribution. Easier today to ship meat around the country today. The big boys with the higher economy of scale held out, the smaller ones were either assimilated or died on the vine.

[Regolith]

The big boys just love them some barriers to entry.  That is why, many times, they are in on the regulation-crafting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barriers_to_entry

Yup. Also known as rent-seeking.

Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

[Perd Hapley]

I'm unclear as to why the FDA couldn't be replaced by a private organization. You want to sell stuff without the Food and Drug Association's seal of approval? Go ahead. Just don't expect anyone to buy it, outside of your friends and associates, or maybe your own neighborhood. You want to sell stuff to people who know and trust you? Fine, just earn their trust.

Or am I wrong?

[zahc]

You mean, have some type of certification that is voluntary, and subject to vetting and competition by the marketplace?

Yes, you are wrong; that is unpossible.

I'm unclear as to why the FDA the government couldn't be replaced by a private organization.

[just Warren]

At Old THR I got into a huge furball with some folks when I pointed out that regulations aren't there to protect you from the business, they're there to protect the business from you. By keeping the number of competitors lower than in a free market it keeps prices a little higher and the need to innovate a little lower. More money and less stress for the organization. What's not to like?

The amount of sheer disbelief that I could even think or worse, say such a thing was astounding.

[Regolith]

I'm unclear as to why the FDA couldn't be replaced by a private organization. You want to sell stuff without the Food and Drug Association's seal of approval? Go ahead. Just don't expect anyone to buy it, outside of your friends and associates, or maybe your own neighborhood. You want to sell stuff to people who know and trust you? Fine, just earn their trust.

Or am I wrong?

Sounds good to me. Same as with restaurant inspections.  They'd be the Underwriter's Laboratories for food.

[roo_ster]

Sounds good to me. Same as with restaurant inspections.  They'd be the Underwriter's Laboratories for food.

Faster, please.  Been to some restaurants that had a clean inspection from the city that could have only gotten such via the exchange of cash.  I'd rather have inspections from folks whose livelihood depends on their reputation for honesty.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

You mean like consumer reports?! 
 Not work too good in real life.
Underwriters labs? Oops another bad example
Riddle me this. How did federal pacific lose underwriters certification then magically regain it? And why in light of the comparatively small number of homes with those breakers did so many electrical fire jobs have them.


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[Tallpine]

You mean like consumer reports?! 
 Not work too good in real life.
Underwriters labs? Oops another bad example
Riddle me this. How did federal pacific lose underwriters certification then magically regain it? And why in light of the comparatively small number of homes with those breakers did so many electrical fire jobs have them.

Of course FAA certified planes never crash 

 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Of course FAA certified planes never crash 

 

and the bar association and ama have those fields all cleaned up too

[Tallpine]

and the bar association and ama have those fields all cleaned up too

You forgot CPAs 

[Perd Hapley]

You mean like consumer reports?! 
 Not work too good in real life.

Not an argument. The FDA doesn't work too good in real life. Or the ATF, etc.

A cogent argument would explain why .gov agencies get the job done, and why private groups cannot.

[Tallpine]

Not an argument. The FDA doesn't work too good in real life. Or the ATF, etc.

A cogent argument would explain why .gov agencies get the job done, and why private groups cannot.

Gov agents have more incentive to do the job right.  If their oversight fails and someone gets hurt, then they will get fired a raise and promotion.

 

[charby]

I'm thinking regulations for someone like me to open up a small slaughter house for resale, small commercial distillery, or a small jelly/condiment company, etc.

Also do a little history reading and see what it was like before the FDA, granted the agency needs to be evaluated to bring it back to the terms of the its organic act and acts related to it passed by legislature/signed by president. I just wish the heads of those agencies were not political appointees.

Also if we went to private companies for their stamp of approval who is going to enforce them being truthful to the people. Would we even go a worse greased palm world or back to the snake oil salesman/opiates sold in Sears and Roebuck catalog?

I don't mind laws, I don't mind sensible regulations but regulations can't be there to favor the big companies over the smaller or startups. Maybe I'm just tired of big industry limiting my choices at the store because the diversity of industry /businesses are not there anymore and it takes an act of god for a little guy to get started.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

You forgot CPAs 

I am actually in the dark there. Is that like the rest?


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[Perd Hapley]

Also do a little history reading and see what it was like before the FDA...

Why? Was there a private organization doing the same thing before the FDA?

Also if we went to private companies for their stamp of approval who is going to enforce them being truthful to the people.

If we went to the govt for their stamp of approval, who would enforce them being truthful to the people?

[charby]

Why? Was there a private organization doing the same thing before the FDA?

If we went to the govt for their stamp of approval, who would enforce them being truthful to the people?

Private industry was doing whatever they wanted before FDA, some honest, some dishonest.

There was elections to replace the leaders of the government, if the leaders are horrid, they will be voted out of office. Well its supposed to work that way anyways.

[Perd Hapley]

Private industry was doing whatever they wanted before FDA, some honest, some dishonest.

Actually, they were doing whatever customers, and the government would let them get away with. Which is what they do now. (I find it necessary to point out that laissez-faire is not anarchy, or absolute power.)

There was elections to replace the leaders of the government, if the leaders are horrid, they will be voted out of office. Well its supposed to work that way anyways.

Do you think it would be more difficult to reform or replace a privately-run FDA, than a govt. one?

[Gewehr98]

I have an answer to Fistful's question:

Thalidomide.  And that's just for starters...

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Of course FAA certified planes never crash 

 

Was it dc 10's that had the cargo door trouble? That the builder ignored even after it was brought to their attention? What made em act right again?


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[RoadKingLarry]

I have an answer to Fistful's question:

Thalidomide.  And that's just for starters...

I thought that was fistful's answer to "Why?"

[Regolith]

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