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Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« on: November 25, 2013, 10:15:18 AM »
So I was reading the other day about the latest political issues with Yucca Mountain, and this made me wonder: how are other countries dealing with the long-term storage of nuclear waste?  Nuclear power is much more popular in Europe and Asia.  Are there European and Asian equivalents of Yucca Mountain, or do the plants store on site or what?
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2013, 01:52:45 PM »
I read somewhere that the Soviets were putting nuke waste in deep old oil wells under the theory that the oil stayed put for millions of years, so the nuke waste should too.

(On the other hand, they were using oil wells in satellite countries, so maybe they weren't all that confident of the outcome.)
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2013, 01:57:28 PM »
Don't they recycle the waste through more efficient reactors, a process that reduces it to much less harmful levels?
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2013, 02:27:17 PM »
Here in Sweden it's stored temporarily in a facility north of the Oskarshamn Nuclear Power Plant, until they can decide where they are going to build the permanent storage. I can't remember if they've made a decision where this is going to be yet.
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2013, 02:32:13 PM »
Don't they recycle the waste through more efficient reactors, a process that reduces it to much less harmful levels?

They can, unfortunately the reprocessing activity is also related to the production of weapon-grade plutonium as well, and is discouraged or avoided as a "proliferation" concern.

Here in Sweden it's stored temporarily in a facility north of the Oskarshamn Nuclear Power Plant, until they can decide where they are going to build the permanent storage. I can't remember if they've made a decision where this is going to be yet.

I remember seeing one of the Nordic countries had dug a tunnel out to sea into the continental shelf, and had a huge cylindrical cavern they were going to fill up, and seal off behind them, and eventually it would just get drawn down into the Earth's mantle, since that part of the crust was in a subduction zone.
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2013, 02:45:15 PM »


I remember seeing one of the Nordic countries had dug a tunnel out to sea into the continental shelf, and had a huge cylindrical cavern they were going to fill up, and seal off behind them, and eventually it would just get drawn down into the Earth's mantle, since that part of the crust was in a subduction zone.

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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2013, 03:12:41 PM »
They can, unfortunately the reprocessing activity is also related to the production of weapon-grade plutonium as well, and is discouraged or avoided as a "proliferation" concern.

I remember seeing one of the Nordic countries had dug a tunnel out to sea into the continental shelf, and had a huge cylindrical cavern they were going to fill up, and seal off behind them, and eventually it would just get drawn down into the Earth's mantle, since that part of the crust was in a subduction zone.
This perhaps? Finnish site.
Or this? Swedish Repository.
I think the Norwegians have nuclear power plants too, but I don't know what they do with their fuel. The Danes don't have any nuclear power plants.
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2013, 03:58:09 PM »
Hmm... According to the IAEA or whatever, it's not licensed/approved, since subduction zone burial counts as "sea disposal".  :facepalm:
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2013, 06:23:56 PM »
Why in the *expletive deleted*it don't we just jettison it into space?
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2013, 06:24:45 PM »
Why in the *expletive deleted* don't we just jettison it into space?

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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2013, 06:35:46 PM »
I remember seeing one of the Nordic countries had dug a tunnel out to sea into the continental shelf, and had a huge cylindrical cavern they were going to fill up, and seal off behind them, and eventually it would just get drawn down into the Earth's mantle, since that part of the crust was in a subduction zone.
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2013, 06:43:42 PM »
gets messy sometimes


Seems we've reached an era where our space launches are pretty reliable.
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2013, 07:06:56 PM »

Seems we've reached an era where our space launches are pretty reliable.

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this is considerably worse

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-04/why-not-just-dispose-nuclear-waste-sun
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2013, 08:40:42 AM »
Why in the *expletive deleted* don't we just jettison it into space?

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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2013, 09:17:56 AM »
Weight.

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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2013, 09:27:32 AM »
i quit doing gas fireplaces since cleanup was a 2 square block area

this is considerably worse

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-04/why-not-just-dispose-nuclear-waste-sun

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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2013, 10:21:53 AM »
Subduction zone burial is the best option, if you're a moron that doesn't want to reprocess or reuse the fuel. We've double downed on the stupid.
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2013, 01:54:47 PM »
Vitrify and drop in a 10,000ft + deep part of the ocean. We don't have much nuclear waste. Much less if you get rid of low level crap like the barrels of used work clothing and such. Nothing wrong with Yucca mountain either.
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2013, 02:16:38 PM »
Subduction zone burial is the best option, if you're a moron that doesn't want to reprocess or reuse the fuel. We've double downed on the stupid.

Reprocessing and reusing the fuel.  Hmmmmm.  My father was in favor of that decades ago.

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2013, 02:16:15 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2013, 02:21:31 PM »

Seems we've reached an era where our space launches are pretty reliable.

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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2013, 06:16:01 PM »
Reprocessing and reusing the fuel.  Hmmmmm.  My father was in favor of that decades ago. . . .
IIRC, it was Jimmy Carter who decided we would NOT reprocess and reuse fuel because his then 11 year old daughter was concerned about nuclear proliferation, making him the best president France ever had. (The Frenchies reprocess fuel.)
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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2013, 07:43:26 PM »
IIRC, it was Jimmy Carter who decided we would NOT reprocess and reuse fuel because his then 11 year old daughter was concerned about nuclear proliferation, making him the best president France ever had. (The Frenchies reprocess fuel.)

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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2013, 09:08:17 PM »
If you're putting it permanently underground then that doesn't seem like "storage" which implies you're going to go back and get it someday.

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Re: Long term storage of nuclear waste in other countries
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2013, 11:55:48 PM »
Why in the *expletive deleted* don't we just jettison it into space?

Why do we want to put our future fuel that far out?  Personally, I've always figured that Yucca Mountain, designed to last tens of thousands of years, would last less than a few centuries before our descendents dig it up to get at our 'waste'.