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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2014, 04:14:39 PM »
one of the trapped ships WAS an icebreaker.  ours clanks loudest
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #76 on: January 07, 2014, 04:16:16 PM »
Arctic oil drilling operations are mostly supplied via ground (eg. Ice Road Truckers) and air.   The north coast of Alaska is mostly ice bound, most (if not all) of the year.

Antarctic research is mostly NOAA and .mil operations.  Supported by various other agencies of the US.gov like the Coast Guard since it has most of the Ice Braking ships.   And trying to break ice in winter is a losing prop.  Once you get it broken you have to keep it broken otherwise it freezes over and you have to break it again.  That's why shipping on the Great Lakes pretty much grinds to a halt come November.  The risks of losing a ship and crew become to great.  Does no one but Fistful listen to the lyrics of The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald ??

So since there's not much for them to do in winter in the US, sending one to Oz to support the Antarctic operation/McMurdo Station, at least keeps them busy and training by doing.  


And Ice Breaking is a USCG mission, not a USN mission, so all Icebreakers are in USCG livery and service.  However, the USCG falls under the navy during wartime.
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2014, 04:21:54 PM »
I heard the Coast Guard icebreaker was already en-route make a path for re-supply of a US asset. Was just a small detour for it.

 

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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2014, 04:23:04 PM »
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trying to break ice in winter is a losing prop

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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2014, 05:02:48 PM »
one of the trapped ships WAS an icebreaker.  ours clanks loudest

I think the Soviet nuclear one (now mothballed?) was even bigger/stronger, but the USCG one's ability to "wiggle" quickly by moving some ungodly quantity of ballast water fore and aft means it can punch way heavier than it's actual weight class.
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2014, 06:25:18 PM »
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I guess I'd object to the USAF and Navy assets as well on libertarian grounds, but it just seems to me that USCG has about as much a duty to Antarctica, as the NYPD would have to Antarctica.  Libertarian stuff aside, USCG is supposed to guard the US coast.

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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2014, 06:27:10 PM »
Good Gawd, that one, he makes my head hurt on certain days...

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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #82 on: January 07, 2014, 06:34:21 PM »
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2014, 07:27:54 PM »
I remember seeing the Coast Guard over in the Gulf.
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2014, 07:43:18 PM »
fed.gov base, supplied/supported by a fed.gov agency.  I suppose the Air Force C130's with the ski's that support the various bases are a problem too?

Not sure what the issue is?

I mean, one could have all the other conservative, libertarian, or an-cap objections to the activity overall... but, I'm having a hard time understanding the specific complaint.

Aren't those C-130's Navy?  FWIW, I know the fellow that built most of the skis, at least the ones from the early/mid 90's.
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« Reply #85 on: January 07, 2014, 07:43:39 PM »
They were in Vietnam too.

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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #86 on: January 07, 2014, 08:21:39 PM »
I heard the Coast Guard icebreaker was already en-route make a path for re-supply of a US asset. Was just a small detour for it.

 
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #87 on: January 07, 2014, 08:41:41 PM »
Nope. Used to belong to the Navy. Now the LC-130s belong to the 109th Airlift Wing, Air National Guard, New York State.
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #88 on: January 07, 2014, 09:21:23 PM »
Nope. Used to belong to the Navy. Now the LC-130s belong to the 109th Airlift Wing, Air National Guard, New York State.

When did they make that change.  My recollection was they had USN markings in 1994 whenI saw them in Christchurch.
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #89 on: January 07, 2014, 09:27:26 PM »
I remember seeing the Coast Guard over in the Gulf.

puddle pirates   Coasties were in Afghan too.

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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #90 on: January 07, 2014, 10:39:18 PM »
When did they make that change.  My recollection was they had USN markings in 1994 whenI saw them in Christchurch.

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The Navy Antarctic Development Squadron Six (First designated VX-6, then VXE-6 from 1969) originally operated the LC-130 aircraft. Initially, VXE-6 was home based at the Naval Air Station Quonset Point, Rhode Island and later at the Naval Air Station Point Mugu, California. Operation of the aircraft was transferred in the late 1990s to the 109th Airlift Wing of the New York Air National Guard when Navy support of the Antarctic program was terminated.
Currently all LC-130 aircraft are operated by the New York Air National Guard and are based at the Air National Guard's facility at Schenectady County Airport. There are two versions. Seven aircraft are LC-130H-2 (Three of these were Navy LC-130R from VXE-6 converted to LC-130H-2). Three are LC-130H-3.
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #91 on: January 08, 2014, 12:25:59 AM »
Does no one but Fistful listen to the lyrics of The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald ??

Oh, well in that case:   ;)


The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they called 'Gitche Gumee'
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy

With a load of iron ore, twenty-six thousand tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early

The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some mill in Wisconsin
As the big freighters go, it was bigger than most
With a crew and good captain well-seasoned

Concluding some terms with a couple steel firms
When they left fully loaded for Cleveland
And later that night when the ship's bell rang
Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?

The wind in the wires made the tattle-tale sound
And the wave broke over the railing
And every man knew, as the captain did too
T'was the witch of November come stealin'

The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When the gales of November came slashin'
When afternoon came, it was freezin' rain
In the face of a hurricane west wind

When supper time came, the old cook came on deck sayin'
Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya
At 7 P.M. a main hatchway caved in, he said
Fellas, it's been good to know ya

The captain wired in he had water comin' in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went out of sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

Does any one know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd put fifteen more miles behind her

They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters

Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the rooms of her ice-water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams
The islands and bays are for sportsmen

And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
And the iron boats go, as the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered

In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
The church bell chimed 'til it rang twenty-nine times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call 'Gitche Gumee'
Superior, they said, never gives up her dead
When the gales of November come early

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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #92 on: January 08, 2014, 08:53:29 AM »
puddle pirates   Coasties were in Afghan too.

WTF?  There isn't an ocean even close to Afghanistan. 
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #93 on: January 08, 2014, 09:08:44 AM »
Oh, well in that case:   ;)


The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they called 'Gitche Gumee'
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy

With a load of iron ore, twenty-six thousand tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early

The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some mill in Wisconsin
As the big freighters go, it was bigger than most
With a crew and good captain well-seasoned

Concluding some terms with a couple steel firms
When they left fully loaded for Cleveland
And later that night when the ship's bell rang
Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?

The wind in the wires made the tattle-tale sound
And the wave broke over the railing
And every man knew, as the captain did too
T'was the witch of November come stealin'

The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When the gales of November came slashin'
When afternoon came, it was freezin' rain
In the face of a hurricane west wind

When supper time came, the old cook came on deck sayin'
Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya
At 7 P.M. a main hatchway caved in, he said
Fellas, it's been good to know ya

The captain wired in he had water comin' in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went out of sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

Does any one know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd put fifteen more miles behind her

They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters

Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the rooms of her ice-water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams
The islands and bays are for sportsmen

And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
And the iron boats go, as the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered

In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
The church bell chimed 'til it rang twenty-nine times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call 'Gitche Gumee'
Superior, they said, never gives up her dead
When the gales of November come early

I'm the other guy who loves that song. I was stationed at Kincheloe AFB when that happened, and I remember the storm. Though, no danger of sinking for me!


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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #94 on: January 08, 2014, 09:44:08 AM »
I'm the other guy who loves that song. I was stationed at Kincheloe AFB when that happened, and I remember the storm. Though, no danger of sinking for me!

I flew out of there with a commuter airline after the base closed and was turned into a commercial airport.
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #96 on: January 08, 2014, 11:47:25 AM »
I flew out of there with a commuter airline after the base closed and was turned into a commercial airport.

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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #97 on: January 08, 2014, 12:06:50 PM »
Oh, well in that case:   ;)


The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they called 'Gitche Gumee'
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy

With a load of iron ore, twenty-six thousand tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and true  crew was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early

The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some mill in Wisconsin
As the big freighters go, it was bigger than most
With a crew and good captain well-seasoned

Concluding some terms with a couple steel firms
When they left fully loaded for Cleveland
And later that night when the ship's bell rang
Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?

The wind in the wires made the tattle-tale sound
And the wave broke over the railing
And every man knew, as the captain did too
T'was the witch of November come stealin'

The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When the gales of November came slashin'
When afternoon came, it was freezin' rain
In the face of a hurricane west wind

When supper time came, the old cook came on deck sayin'
Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya
At 7 P.M. a main hatchway caved in, he said
Fellas, it's been good to know ya

The captain wired in he had water comin' in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went out of sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

Does any one know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd put fifteen more miles behind her

They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters

Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the rooms of her ice-water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams
The islands and bays are for sportsmen

And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
And the iron boats go, as the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered

In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
The church bell chimed 'til it rang twenty-nine times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call 'Gitche Gumee'
Superior, they said, never gives up her dead
When the gales of November come early

FIFY.

I've always liked that song. Guess I was the other guy who liked it. [tinfoil] I was at Syracuse University when the Edmond Fitzgerald sank and it was the news for the time; I also remember that song when it came out.  A lot of people disdain that song and while I guess I have to admit it ain't Mozart, it's still Americana.
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #98 on: January 08, 2014, 12:23:10 PM »
FIFY.

I've always liked that song. Guess I was the other guy who liked it. [tinfoil] I was at Syracuse University when the Edmond Fitzgerald sank and it was the news for the time; I also remember that song when it came out.  A lot of people disdain that song and while I guess I have to admit it ain't Mozart, it's still Americana.

Considering that she sank in Canadian waters and that Gordon Lightfoot is Canadian, maybe it's "Canadiana" rather than Americana?
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Re: The Antarctic mission that keeps on giving...
« Reply #99 on: January 08, 2014, 12:30:05 PM »
Considering that she sank in Canadian waters and that Gordon Lightfoot is Canadian, maybe it's "Canadiana" rather than Americana?

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