VE HAF RULZ!

[Perd Hapley]

Wanna try again?  Who set the standards. Holler if you need help

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Try what again? Did you think I was playing some kind of game with you? I'm not here to answer your questions about Common Core. I've already said I know very little about it. To reiterate my position, though, schools should not answer to any one national standard, regardless who sets it.

[TechMan]

fistful, he was referring to Scout's posts.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

and they don't HAVE TO answer. they can and some have opted out.  even in midstream as it were

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

No parents at any of my kids' schools had any input.

Education is a very local matter; standards, curriculum, etc. need to be set at the school board level.

Sawdust

Aren't you in texas? Texas opted not to participate.

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[roo_ster]

Aren't you in texas? Texas opted not to participate.

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And the howls form the progressives were heartwarming.  Almost as sweet as the howls when Perry did not expand Medicaid .  He & his folks did the math.  IN 10 years, when the fedgov subsidy stopped, the Medicare program would have been larger than the entire budget of the Texas state giv't.

[Perd Hapley]

fistful, he was referring to Scout's posts.

Nah, he was talking to me.

not that anything he says is actually clear since he communicates in half sentences

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

And the howls form the progressives were heartwarming.  Almost as sweet as the howls when Perry did not expand Medicaid .  He & his folks did the math.  IN 10 years, when the fedgov subsidy stopped, the Medicare program would have been larger than the entire budget of the Texas state giv't.

damn that pesky math

we have terry mac here wanna be a lil obama use executive action to expand medicaid  

[MillCreek]

^^^ So much better instead to have the people who need care just go to the ER instead and have the hospital incur the bad debt.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Wanna try again?  Who set the standards. Holler if you need help

The National Governors Association.   (Which should be spending their time flipping off the fed.gov not knuckling under.)

For the record, the National Governors Association is a Washington-based group staffed by Washington government do-gooder types.  Purpose is to get States and FedGov working hand-in-hand.

It's wildly illegal for FedGov to set a national school curriculum directly.  No matter.  Let shills like the NGA do it.  Same result in the end.


Here's the stated purpose of Common Core, right off their website:

Building on the excellent foundation of standards states have laid, the Common Core State Standards are the first step in providing our young people with a high-quality education. It should be clear to every student, parent, and teacher what the standards of success are in every school.

Teachers, parents and community leaders have all weighed in to help create the Common Core State Standards. The standards clearly communicate what is expected of students at each grade level. This will allow our teachers to be better equipped to know exactly what they need to help students learn and establish individualized benchmarks for them. The Common Core State Standards focus on core conceptual understandings and procedures starting in the early grades, thus enabling teachers to take the time needed to teach core concepts and procedures well—and to give students the opportunity to master them.

With students, parents and teachers all on the same page and working together for shared goals, we can ensure that students make progress each year and graduate from school prepared to succeed in college and in a modern workforce.

Can someone 'splain to me why local schools need any help at all from Washington to accomplish these goals?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

cause they are and have been failing at it?  and they want more bucks from uncle sugar


"Founded in 1908, the National Governors Association (NGA) is the collective voice of the nation’s governors and one of Washington, D.C.'s most respected public policy organizations. Its members are the governors of the 55 states, territories and commonwealths. NGA provides governors and their senior staff members with services that range from representing states on Capitol Hill and before the Administration on key federal issues to developing and implementing innovative solutions to public policy challenges through the NGA Center for Best Practices. NGA also provides management and technical assistance to both new and incumbent governors. "

[Perd Hapley]

what have you read about how it actually works?

You're the expert. Why don't you explain it?

Explain how thousands of very different communities, and millions of families with different viewpoints, can be in control of their children's education, when every school teaches to a national standard?

[makattak]

^^^ So much better instead to have the people who need care just go to the ER instead and have the hospital incur the bad debt.

Can you point to indications that the use of ER goes down once individuals have government healthcare?

(Hint: you're going to find it's the opposite.)

So, let's instead have the government incur EVEN MORE debt than before.

[MillCreek]

Can you point to indications that the use of ER goes down once individuals have government healthcare?

(Hint: you're going to find it's the opposite.)

So, let's instead have the government incur EVEN MORE debt than before.

You are missing my point: ER use does go up, but at least the hospitals get paid something for it.  As opposed to the continuous influx of ER patients with no coverage whatsoever, and the hospital incurs the financial liability of providing care and not getting paid for it.  So let's shift the costs from government to hospitals, and we can all stand around and scratch our heads when the hospitals go out of business or close the ER.

PS: An interesting story on our local news last night illustrating this very point:  http://www.king5.com/news/local/Auditor-Hospital-may-be-too-financially-sick-to-survive-244075621.html

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

I'm not so sure that bankrupting the government is any better than bankrupting hospitals.

[makattak]

I'm not so sure that bankrupting the government is any better than bankrupting hospitals.

Whatever. The government CAN'T go bankrupt. They can print money!

(Yes, that is the response I get from some liberals.)

[Hawkmoon]

And again I ask who sets those standards? A hint
It wasn't washington. Your thought that it was typifies the beliefs of many.  Its understandable since thats what the you tube voices preach

Are we still discussing Common Core? If so, you're wrong. While the development of Common Core is promoted as having been done by a consensus of the states, the fact is that it was primarily developed in and handed down by Washington, and the states basically saluted and genuflected.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Are we still discussing Common Core? If so, you're wrong. While the development of Common Core is promoted as having been done by a consensus of the states, the fact is that it was primarily developed in and handed down by Washington, and the states basically saluted and genuflected.

you are mistaken
http://www.corestandards.org/resources/process

[Perd Hapley]

you are mistaken
http://www.corestandards.org/resources/process

Oh, well that proves it. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Oh, well that proves it. 

our common core expert weighs in?


i was involved in the parent participation part along with some others i know.that reality failing to jibe with the fantasies is a heavy burden.

[Perd Hapley]

our common core expert weighs in?

i was involved in the parent participation part along with some others i know.that reality failing to jibe with the fantasies is a heavy burden.

You realize that doesn't disprove what Hawkmoon said?

And you realize that you're the one claiming to be an expert?

[MillCreek]

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20140209/NEWS03/140209095/Gorge-concerts-costing-local-hospital-thousands

Another rural hospital in financial trouble because white people don't have insurance and won't pay their bills.

[RevDisk]

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20140209/NEWS03/140209095/Gorge-concerts-costing-local-hospital-thousands

Another rural hospital in financial trouble because white people don't have insurance and won't pay their bills.

It's been an issue since the unfunded mandate was passed that refused to let ER's turn away patients or hospitals dump patients. AFAIK, they're allowed to use it as a tax writeoff, but I suspect it can become uneconomical in a hurry.

A better solution than Obamacare would have been mandatory catastrophic insurance. It would limit a hospital's loss to $10k or whatnot per.

[Sawdust]

Aren't you in texas? Texas opted not to participate.

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Nah, I be in Californiastan.

Sawdust

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Nah, I be in Californiastan.

Sawdust

sorry  but there is some pretty country out that way away from the cities