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Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« on: February 09, 2014, 08:23:19 PM »
Falls into the category of read and wait.  If the story is true one could anticipate a fair amount of angst being generated amongst our governmental and financial overlords.

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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2014, 08:28:01 PM »
Doubtful.

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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2014, 08:47:13 PM »
Shades of EF&D  =|
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2014, 08:57:08 PM »
Feh.

Posted on Hal Turner's website...

This makes me think Snowden has nothing, and his having anything at all was a hoax that never happened.  If that goose-stepping moron (Turner) said the sky was blue, I'd assume it had turned plaid.  Alex Jones looks positively rational next to him.

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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2014, 09:05:16 PM »
The problem with any failsafe is that there is always someone who wants the information public and someone who wants it secret.

You as a whistle blower can't protect yourself from both simultaneously with a deadmans switch; somebody always wants you dead.
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2014, 09:27:21 PM »
The problem with any failsafe is that there is always someone who wants the information public and someone who wants it secret.

You as a whistle blower can't protect yourself from both simultaneously with a deadmans switch; somebody always wants you dead.

That would make for a good spy movie/book plot.
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2014, 09:35:15 PM »
I did a quick search and it popped up on a few mainstream websites as well, though not with the full list of stuff outlined on the Turner website. It would be quite plausible that he has encrypted cloud caches. Seems like the prudent thing for someone in his position to do.
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2014, 11:01:44 PM »
I think I'd like Rev's take on this, before making any conclusions

IF his threats are real, sounds like he has the gooberment by the short hairs
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2014, 11:05:54 PM »
Worthless without a "trigger."

The trigger would need to be something far beyond F&F, with Holder and Obama complicit.  Something that would awaken the anti-Statist dragon in every American heart. 
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2014, 04:49:44 AM »
Worthless without a "trigger."

The trigger would need to be something far beyond F&F, with Holder and Obama complicit.  Something that would awaken the anti-Statist dragon in every American heart. 

Then we're probably good till world series time. About the only way to seriously piss of americans these days would be to start screwing sports on TV. 
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2014, 08:54:51 PM »
Then we're probably good till world series time. About the only way to seriously piss of americans these days would be to start screwing sports on TV. 

Proof that the gov't is fixing the games so the poli-critters can make money gambling?
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 09:32:48 PM »
I think I'd like Rev's take on this, before making any conclusions

IF his threats are real, sounds like he has the gooberment by the short hairs

Lotta options.

NSA may have an list of where all Americans live and a list of all government employees from the IRS or Social Security. You'd just need to cross reference the two. It would be trivial for the NSA to do so if they wanted. I'm not sure why they would want to do so. It's possible, plausible even. But it's a toss up if whether it's true or a bluff.

The NSA collects blackmail on folks. See Qwest CEO. It's unlikely the Snowden has it. It'd be criminally insane to keep that information in electronic format and connected to any network, even an air gapped one. Basically, pulling a Hoover, who historically came closest to becoming an American Stasi. There's a good reason why the FBI director is limited to one ten-year term.



Snowden snagged a lot of material. And he's been selective in what he released. It is suggestive that the NSA is/was divided over offering an amnesty deal in exchange for silence. Apparently the WH shot that down. The NSA wouldn't have remotely considered amnesty if they didn't believe that he had some bombshells left in the arsenal. So... at a minimum, the NSA believes he has plenty of goodies.

There's ways to handle deadman's switch. Smartest would be a split key. Auto-release if he dies, but a second party that would need to manually release only if it looks like the US pulled the trigger. *shrug* It'd all depend on how much game theory the dude has.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2014, 09:40:45 PM »
Maybe Anonymous has a copy of the data....

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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2014, 09:57:52 PM »
That would make for a good spy movie/book plot.

Wasn't that more or less the plot for Three Days of the Condor?
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2014, 12:35:26 AM »
I'm gonna guess that if Anonymous had it, it would already be public domain
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2014, 12:46:27 AM »

Snowden snagged a lot of material. And he's been selective in what he released. It is suggestive that the NSA is/was divided over offering an amnesty deal in exchange for silence. Apparently the WH shot that down. The NSA wouldn't have remotely considered amnesty if they didn't believe that he had some bombshells left in the arsenal. So... at a minimum, the NSA believes he has plenty of goodies.


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The NSA, I believe, has an idea of some of the stuff he has, and is very nervous.

And I applaud him for being selective. That, in my mind, is the chief difference between him and manning, whose leaks led to poorly(if at all) redacted docs getting released with informants, some of whom are probably dead now
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2014, 12:51:50 PM »
QUoted for truthiness.

The NSA, I believe, has an idea of some of the stuff he has, and is very nervous.

And I applaud him for being selective. That, in my mind, is the chief difference between him and manning, whose leaks led to poorly(if at all) redacted docs getting released with informants, some of whom are probably dead now

I don't like Manning much myself, but even the feds going after him admit that no one died because of his leaks.
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Re: Snowden's fail safe revealed -- maybe
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2014, 01:16:07 PM »
I don't like Manning much myself, but even the feds going after him admit that no one died because of his leaks.

So give Brad-Chel another chance?   :lol:
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