Illinois

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Gay marriages just became  legal.
Interesting method

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[fifth_column]

Yes, it seems denying anyone a marriage license is "unconstitutional" . . .

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

using the eric holder method  states attorney generals opinion is law

[Tallpine]

Funny how there's not even a constitutional amendment protecting marraige 

[RevDisk]

Funny how there's not even a constitutional amendment protecting marraige  

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Remember, the government is only supposed to have the authority delegated to it. The government would need an amendment giving it the right to restrict marriage.

I'm unaware of the Constitutional amendment granting the government said authority over marriage. Lemme guess. Interstate commerce? General welfare clause?  

[brimic]

Funny how there's not even a constitutional amendment protecting marraige

What is this constitution thing you speak of, and why would it matter?

[makattak]

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Remember, the government is only supposed to have the authority delegated to it. The government would need an amendment giving it the right to restrict marriage.

I'm unaware of the Constitutional amendment granting the government said authority over marriage. Lemme guess. Interstate commerce? General welfare clause?   

The Federal Government has no such authority.

However: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[Scout26]

Meanwhile we can't get any meaningful pension reform passed nor a balanced budget.  But letting the gayzors get married will ensure that they go out and vote enmass for those that have brought this state to the point of bankruptcy.

And the leading candidate from both parties (Rauner-R/D) has heavy ties to a bunch of Illinois folks already behind bars and PA's Gov. Rendell.   Where a $300,000 campaign contribution got him $100,000,000 (or thereabouts I disremember the actual number) in bond business for Rauner's company. 

I predict that we'll go 5 for the last 8 in the "Governors behind bars" standings, should Rauner win.

Yea us.   

[Tallpine]

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Remember, the government is only supposed to have the authority delegated to it. The government would need an amendment giving it the right to restrict marriage.

I'm unaware of the Constitutional amendment granting the government said authority over marriage. Lemme guess. Interstate commerce? General welfare clause?  

Your days of taking me seriously are certainly at a middle 

[Ron]

It will be interesting to see if the polygamy proponents gain any ground.

There really is no compelling reason to keep loving sister wives from legally being with the man they love.

[Strings]

Well, there isn't

If you think there really is, Ron, feel free to expound

[Perd Hapley]

Well, there isn't

If you think there really is, Ron, feel free to expound

Well, at least that would somewhat resemble an actual marriage. Not exactly a proper marriage, but whatever.

[Tallpine]

Well, at least that would somewhat resemble an actual marriage. Not exactly a proper marriage, but whatever.

It's very Biblical 

[White Horseradish]

It's very Biblical 

I bet the Islamic extremists wouldn't hate us as much if we abandoned this newfangled one man/one woman thing and went back to traditional marriage.

[Gewehr98]

Hmmm, I think Ron's on to something there! 

[Perd Hapley]

It's very Biblical 

Not sure if serious. Polygamy, like slavery, is something the Bible seems to tolerate for a while, and then mildly rebukes in the New Testament. I think God had bigger fish to fry, so he let the humans slide on a couple of things. For a while.

[White Horseradish]

Polygamy, like slavery, is something the Bible seems to tolerate for a while, and then mildly rebukes in the New Testament.

I'm curious, where in the NT is this?

[Tallpine]

I'm curious, where in the NT is this?

I can only think of a couple places:
1) Gospel(s): Jesus says women at the well had many husbands and current one is not her husband
2) Paul says something about an elder being the husband of only one wife

Slavery seems to be affirmed in the NT.

So Abraham, Jacob etc were just "tolerated" ?  

BTW, I mostly just like poking holes in any argument in a jesting fashion.   

[Perd Hapley]

I can only think of a couple places:
1) Gospel(s): Jesus says women at the well had many husbands and current one is not her husband
2) Paul says something about an elder being the husband of only one wife

I don't think the first relates to polygamy. The second is what I'm talking about with "mild rebuke." Not an outright condemnation, but clearly a statement that monogamy is the ideal.

Slavery seems to be affirmed in the NT.

Not affirmed at all. Tolerated, but the NT suggests it is not ideal. "Man-stealing" is condemned, and masters must view Christian slaves as brothers. Doesn't make sense to enslave your brother. And since you're commanded to love even your enemies, it doesn't make much sense to enslave anyone.

So Abraham, Jacob etc were just "tolerated" ?   

I don't recall Abraham having more than one wife at a time. He had another wife (Keturah, or something?), but I think she was after Sarah died.

You can't read about Jacob without understanding that he was a very flawed individual. His name means something like cheater, or liar. His polygamy was a result of his being cheated into marrying the wrong sister, and was hardly presented as something to be emulated.

[White Horseradish]

I couldn't remember any.

2) Paul says something about an elder being the husband of only one wife

"Many critics of polygamy also point to the Pauline epistles that state that church officials should be respectable, above reproach, and the husband of a single wife. Hermeneutically, the Greek phrase mias gunaikos andra, is an unusual Greek construction, and capable of being translated in three possible ways: 1) "one wife man," (prohibiting plural marriage) or 2) "a wife man" (requiring elders to be married) or 3) "first wife man" (prohibiting divorcees from ordination). Some claim that if these verses refer directly to polygamy (definition 1 above) it supports the acceptance of polygamy because if polygamy were outlawed there would be no need to have laws prohibiting leaders from being polygamists. One would only need a law prohibiting polygamy by leaders if polygamy was accepted among lay persons."

So... For everyone not an elder there doesn't seem to be a problem. :D

[Scout26]

I'm curious, where in the NT is this?

Right next to the part where Jesus ordered the pork chops for the last supper.

[Strings]

And again, we run smack into the issue of basing laws on one group's faith

Telling me something should be legal/illegal based on what the Bible says carries as much water as telling me it should be legal/illegal based on the Chronicles of Narnia

Laws banning things should be based on harm being caused. Murder, rape, theft... all have obvious victims, so therefor are proscribed by law.

Tell me... exactly who is hurt if Spoon and I bring another woman into our relationship as a spouse?

[geronimotwo]

Tell me... exactly who is hurt if Spoon and I bring another woman into our relationship as a spouse?

please send pics, then we'll talk.....

[Scout26]

Tell me... exactly who is hurt if Spoon and I bring another woman into our relationship as a spouse?

More than likely, you.   

The definition of bigamy is having one too many wives.  Which also happens to be the same definition of monogamy.

[White Horseradish]

Tell me... exactly who is hurt if Spoon and I bring another woman into our relationship as a spouse?

Some guy who doesn't have any. He is certainly gonna blame you for hoarding. Never mind that even with it not begin allowed he still doesn't have any.

I'm reasonably certain this is the driving force behind the anti-polygamy laws.