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Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« on: April 02, 2014, 07:33:59 PM »
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/04/01/study-vegetarians-less-healthy-lower-quality-of-life-than-meat-eaters/

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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2014, 07:56:18 PM »
Unfortuntly, the broad studies like this are victim to numbers scewed by other factors.

It was touched on in the article a bit, but the likelyhood of someone who becomes or is a vegitarian to be involved in other "health" fads and the likelyhood of a vegitarian being something of a hypocondric would mess with any results that want to study pure nutritional value.

Also, based on what I've observed, most "vegitarians" don't have the slightest clue what they're doing. I'm sure there are a few out there that are legitamatly healthy folks with good diets containing all their bodies need, but they are by far the minority. There are signifigently more "vegitarians" who do it to feel special, superior and get attenation.

In other words, there is a corralation between vegitarians and bad health (especially mentel health), but the corralation may be the bad health that caused them to become a vegitarian rather then the bad health stemming from being a vegitarian.
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2014, 03:49:50 AM »
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2014, 06:50:26 PM »
Unfortuntly, the broad studies like this are victim to numbers scewed by other factors.

It was touched on in the article a bit, but the likelyhood of someone who becomes or is a vegitarian to be involved in other "health" fads and the likelyhood of a vegitarian being something of a hypocondric would mess with any results that want to study pure nutritional value.

Also, based on what I've observed, most "vegitarians" don't have the slightest clue what they're doing. I'm sure there are a few out there that are legitamatly healthy folks with good diets containing all their bodies need, but they are by far the minority. There are signifigently more "vegitarians" who do it to feel special, superior and get attenation.

In other words, there is a corralation between vegitarians and bad health (especially mentel health), but the corralation may be the bad health that caused them to become a vegitarian rather then the bad health stemming from being a vegitarian.

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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2014, 07:15:56 PM »
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2014, 08:30:42 PM »
Not surprising.  I've known more than one vegetarian who had an absolutely horrible diet.  Ironically two of them smoked like a chimney and drank like fish.  I guess they thought it all evened out in the end.

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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2014, 08:33:35 PM »
All I know is that I don't want to die at a young age wishing I'd had that last steak.
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2014, 09:33:45 PM »
Never saw a vegetarian who didn't look like death warmed over, except for one.
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2014, 10:28:50 AM »
If you know or are around a lot of folks from India then you know or have seen healthy vegetarians. India has the highest percentage of vegetarians per capita than any other country. Many who come to the US or are natural born here adopt vegetarianism. Some don't eat meat but will consume eggs and dairy.

Just because someone does not eat animal products that doesn't mean they are eating a properly balanced vegetarian diet.

We need fat for proper absorption of nutrients and vegetarians often eat super low fat diets.

A plant based diet needs to be carefully planned in order to get the proper balance of amino acids to build muscle.

In order to get a full complement of vitamins and minerals you have to really know what mix of veggies and nuts/seeds to eat.

I'm like others above, canines and molars, eyes in the front of the head. We are opportunistic predatory omnivores.  

My diet is currently about 80% plant based with occasional chicken/beef as part of one of my meals. One or two times a week I eat a couple eggs. I consume a moderate amount of cheese but no milk or creme. I've nearly eliminated processed wheat and sugar from my diet.

I try and follow the Mediterranean style of eating while being very conscience of the glycemic load of my meals. I'm not absolutest and will share a pizza with you if you are buying and will gladly wash it down with a wheat beer like Bells Oberon  :laugh:    

Over the last 7 years I've lost about 30lbs, nearly 45 in the last decade. My resting blood pressure before I get out of bed is 116/62 at 62bpm. Lipids? Low LDL and Triglycerides with high HDL.

I have a dear friend who abandoned 25 years of vegetarianism due to what she called the overwhelming evidence of the health benefits of moderate consumption of animal products. It was a huge step for a California new ager type earth momma to come to grips with that reality  :laugh:  

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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2014, 01:16:48 PM »
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2014, 12:03:19 AM »
They eat vegetarian at Terminus and they look healthy.  Oh, wait a minute, wrong thread.

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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2014, 01:01:15 AM »
I eat more veggies now ( that I'm on the "caveman/paleo" diet ) than when I was a vegetarian, as a vegetarian-I ate a lot of bread/pasta/sugar products - and gained a lot of weight.
Now, 50 pounds less I eat meat/veggies....a lot more veggies now that I'm not a veggie.
Weird.
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2014, 01:46:39 AM »
Corn is a vegetable.
Pigs eat corn, therefore pigs are made of corn and being made of corn makes them a vegetable.
Ergo bacon, being made from pig, is a vegetable.
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2014, 07:54:06 AM »
I eat more veggies now ( that I'm on the "caveman/paleo" diet ) than when I was a vegetarian, as a vegetarian-I ate a lot of bread/pasta/sugar products - and gained a lot of weight.
Now, 50 pounds less I eat meat/veggies....a lot more veggies now that I'm not a veggie.
Weird.

Been several months now since I've been off Nexium. I've also noticed my knees don't bother me when going up and down the stairs. Actually I frequently find myself bounding up and down the stairs like a twenty year old.

I'm pretty much attributing it to the synergy of eliminating the processed foods, eating more whole foods (ie vegetables) and the corresponding loss of weight.

You guys want to lose weight? Stop consuming food comprised of processed flour and sugar. The pounds will melt off your frame. It is pretty amazing truth be told.
 
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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2014, 09:51:05 AM »
We just bought a Vitamix.  This machine does many things using whole unprocessed veggies and fruits and meats and just about anything.  It makes smoothies out of whole fruits and veggies, grinds or chops up fresh meat while adding your chopped onions and chopped cheese for burgers, makes hot soup and ice cream out of healthy stuff and on and on and on.  I can't wait to start using it.
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2014, 11:08:37 AM »
We just bought a Vitamix.  This machine does many things using whole unprocessed veggies and fruits and meats and just about anything.  It makes smoothies out of whole fruits and veggies, grinds or chops up fresh meat while adding your chopped onions and chopped cheese for burgers, makes hot soup and ice cream out of healthy stuff and on and on and on.  I can't wait to start using it.

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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2014, 05:49:35 PM »
We just bought a Vitamix.  This machine does many things using whole unprocessed veggies and fruits and meats and just about anything.  It makes smoothies out of whole fruits and veggies, grinds or chops up fresh meat while adding your chopped onions and chopped cheese for burgers, makes hot soup and ice cream out of healthy stuff and on and on and on.  I can't wait to start using it.

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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2014, 12:20:40 AM »
Been several months now since I've been off Nexium. I've also noticed my knees don't bother me when going up and down the stairs. Actually I frequently find myself bounding up and down the stairs like a twenty year old.

I'm pretty much attributing it to the synergy of eliminating the processed foods, eating more whole foods (ie vegetables) and the corresponding loss of weight.

You guys want to lose weight? Stop consuming food comprised of processed flour and sugar. The pounds will melt off your frame. It is pretty amazing truth be told.
 

Same here, except its been a year since I've had to buy/take Prevacid .... amazing - plus I drink as much coffee as I like - it used to kill me and I would have to take a mega dose ( of prevacid ) to enjoy a few cups - I use organic stevia from traders joes, the main reason is if you get regular stevia it has other additives to make it look larger-its kind of strange at first using the such a small amount to sweeten the coffee
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2014, 10:54:48 AM »
Same here, except its been a year since I've had to buy/take Prevacid .... amazing - plus I drink as much coffee as I like - it used to kill me and I would have to take a mega dose ( of prevacid ) to enjoy a few cups - I use organic stevia from traders joes, the main reason is if you get regular stevia it has other additives to make it look larger-its kind of strange at first using the such a small amount to sweeten the coffee

Artificial sweeteners are a great way to mess up your system.  Your body thinks it is sugar and creates the insulin for it but the insulin has nothing to do and creates all sorts of problems.
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2014, 12:25:10 PM »
I eat more veggies now ( that I'm on the "caveman/paleo" diet ) than when I was a vegetarian, as a vegetarian-I ate a lot of bread/pasta/sugar products - and gained a lot of weight.
Now, 50 pounds less I eat meat/veggies....a lot more veggies now that I'm not a veggie.
Weird.
I've always been told that it is difficult and takes some effort as a vegetarian to eat the right food to replace what you are not getting from various meats and animal products.
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2014, 11:25:08 PM »
Corn is a vegetable.
Pigs eat corn, therefore pigs are made of corn and being made of corn makes them a vegetable.
Ergo bacon, being made from pig, is a vegetable.

 :'( How could you call bacon that horrible name?  :'(


You guys want to lose weight? Stop consuming food comprised of processed flour...
 

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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2014, 02:41:18 PM »
Artificial sweeteners are a great way to mess up your system.  Your body thinks it is sugar and creates the insulin for it but the insulin has nothing to do and creates all sorts of problems.

Ah! but Stevia is an herb - it's a sweet tasting herb but its not an artificial sweetener. Unless its an artificial all natural one  =D
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2014, 03:48:38 PM »
Ah! but Stevia is an herb - it's a sweet tasting herb but its not an artificial sweetener. Unless its an artificial all natural one  =D

It is "artificial" in the sense that it tastes sweet but does not contain glucose, or other "sugars".

Oddly enough it's not just a pleasure reaction but your body reacts in the same way as it would to sugar, only worse because there isn't any sugar.

Messing up the insulin system just leads to more weight gain  =(
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Re: Study: vegetarians less healthy, lower quality of life
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2014, 05:24:53 PM »

You guys want to lose weight? Stop consuming food comprised of processed flour and sugar. 

Or you could eschew the nutritional fads and stick with a lifestyle of regular exercise combined with a diet of balanced proportions and proper serving sizes.  That kinda works too.  ;)

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