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« on: September 17, 2006, 06:27:06 AM »
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Big Brother is not only watching you - now he's barking orders too. Britain's first 'talking' CCTV cameras have arrived, publicly berating bad behaviour and shaming offenders into acting more responsibly.

The system allows control room operators who spot any anti-social acts - from dropping litter to late-night brawls - to send out a verbal warning: 'We are watching you'.

Middlesbrough has fitted loudspeakers on seven of its 158 cameras in an experiment already being hailed as a success. Jack Bonner, who manages the system, said: 'It is one hell of a deterrent. It's one thing to know that there are CCTV cameras about, but it's quite another when they loudly point out what you have just done wrong.

'Most people are so ashamed and embarrassed at being caught they quickly slink off without further trouble.

'There was one incident when two men started fighting outside a nightclub. One of the control room operators warned them over the loudspeakers and they looked up, startled, stopped fighting and scarpered in opposite directions.

'This isn't about keeping tabs on people, it's about making the streets safer for the law-abiding majority and helping to change the attitudes of those who cause trouble. It challenges unacceptable behaviour and makes people think twice.'

The Mail on Sunday watched as a cyclist riding through a pedestrian area was ordered to stop.

'Would the young man on the bike please get off and walk as he is riding in a pedestrian area,' came the command.

The surprised youth stopped, and looked about. A look of horror spread across his face as he realised the voice was referring to him.

He dismounted and wheeled his bike through the crowded streets, as instructed.

Law-abiding shopper Karen Margery, 40, was shocked to hear the speakers spring into action as she walked past them.

Afterwards she said: 'It's quite scary to realise that your every move could be monitored - it really is like Big Brother.

'But Middlesbrough does have a big problem with anti-social behaviour, so it is very reassuring.'

The scheme has been introduced by Middlesbrough mayor Ray Mallon, a former police superintendent who was dubbed Robocop for pioneering the zero-tolerance approach to crime.

He believes the talking cameras will dramatically cut not just anti-social behaviour, but violent crime, too.

And if the city centre scheme proves a success, it will be extended into residential areas.

The control room operators have been given strict guidelines about what commands they can give. Yelling 'Oi you, stop that', is not permitted.

Instead, their instructions make the following suggestions: 'Warning - you are being monitored by CCTV - Warning - you are in an alcohol-free zone, please refrain from drinking'; and Warning - your behaviour is being monitored by CCTV. It is being recorded and the police are attending.'

Mr Bonner said: 'We always make the requests polite, and if the offender obeys, the operator adds 'thank you'. We think that's a nice finishing touch.

'It would appear that the offenders are the only ones who find the audio cameras intrusive. The vast majority of people welcome these cameras.

'Put it this way, we never have requests to remove them.'

But civil rights campaigners have argued that the talking cameras are no 'magic bullet', in the fight against crime.

Liberty spokesman Doug Jewell said: 'None of us likes litterbugs or yobs playing up on a Saturday night, but talking CCTV cameras are no substitute for police officers on the beat.'

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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2006, 06:52:00 AM »
Reminds me of "Demolition Man".

Info booth: "Citizen, you have just violated the verbal morality statute. Please place $5 in the slot, and have a happy-happy joy-joy day"

Edgar Friendly's views on the New World Order in the movie:
"You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green jello all over my body reading playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal?

I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".

Simon Phoenix: "I'm sorry to say that the world has become a *&%^$&)(-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies."
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2006, 08:08:14 AM »
Always loved that movie.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2006, 08:13:26 AM »
I predict widespread destruction of said speakers and cameras...

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2006, 08:33:26 AM »
'Put it this way, we never have requests to remove them.'

Anyone else think that may be due to such a request being recorded?

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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2006, 08:33:28 AM »
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I predict widespread destruction of said speakers and cameras...
I don't. People will grumble at most, then get used to it. Criminals may not mind being warned where police can see them, either.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2006, 08:40:04 AM »
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Daley: Cameras will make us safer

January 31, 2006

BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter

Mayor Daley on Monday embraced a radical plan to require every licensed Chicago business open more than 12 hours a day to install indoor and outdoor cameras.

"Block clubs, community organizations want cameras. ... They can't walk down the street. ... Their kids have to go around a corner away from the gang-bangers. You can't walk to church. You can't get on the CTA. ... Cameras really prevent much crime. Cameras also solve a lot of crime. The terrorist attacks in London were solved by cameras. The whole incident was solved by cameras," Daley said.

Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce President Jerry Roper estimated that 12,000 businesses -- maybe more -- are open for more than 12 hours a day and, therefore, would be covered by the sweeping camera mandate. That includes roughly 7,000 restaurants, more than 100 hotels and scores of retail establishments.

"Are there enough cameras in production to do what they're asking us to do?" Roper said.

Businesses will close earlier?

If the mayor's endorsement translates into City Council approval of the ordinance championed by Ald. Ray Suarez (31st), business leaders will demand tax breaks and a phase-in similar to the sprinkler ordinance that gives older high-rises 12 years to comply, Roper said.

And he predicted the requirement would ultimately translate into fewer hours and lower wages.

"Some places will take a look at the cost and say, 'We'll only be open for one shift or a shift and a half. They'll take a look at their last two hours and say, 'I'm not making that much anyway. I'll just close earlier.' Employees will lose that money," Roper said.

Two years ago, with help from a $5.1 million federal homeland security grant, the city announced plans to install 250 cameras at locations thought to be at high risk of a terrorist attack, link them and 2,000 existing cameras to the 911 center and equip them all with software capable of spotting "suspicious and unusual behavior."

City Hall is now finalizing a contract for "Operation Virtual Shield," Daley's Big Brother plan to link 1,000 miles of "sometimes stand-alone fiber" into a unified "homeland security grid" -- complete with sensors to monitor the city's water supply and detect chemical and biological weapons.

The city also made an unprecedented offer to the private sector. Businesses that agreed to pay an undisclosed fee would have cameras outside their entrances and even in their stairwells monitored by the 911 center.

Last summer, the Chicago Sun-Times reported that Boeing Co. had become the first Chicago business to join the camera network.

On Monday, City Hall disclosed that a dozen corporations -- ranging from utilities to companies in the La Salle Street financial district -- also have signed on. The fee is being negotiated.

"Downtown, we'll take a building [that has] cameras. We'll retrofit those cameras. ... We're working with Navy Pier. We're working with McCormick Place, retrofitting cameras, every building downtown," the mayor said.

London has 200,000 cameras monitoring virtually every public move its citizens make. Daley wouldn't go so far as to say he wants to duplicate the London network. He would only say he's "looking for more and more cameras all over."

'It's their land,' Daley says

Chicago's surveillance network could be dramatically enhanced if businesses open more than 12 hours a day are required to install and monitor cameras to record what goes on inside the place and in the parking lot. The only exceptions to the edict proposed by Suarez would be washrooms and changing areas.

Last week, business leaders lined up in opposition to the mandate on grounds it could add anywhere from $5,000 to $20,000 to their costs -- even before monitoring expenses.

But, Daley said Monday he's all for the idea.

"Look at the police radio [log]. ... Why should we be clearing every parking lot out for the owner of the drive-in? That's their responsibility. It's their land," Daley said.

The mayor endorsed the camera mandate after unveiling a $4 million incident center at the 911 building that, among other things, will serve as the new home for Snow Command.

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2006, 08:52:11 AM »
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I predict widespread destruction of said speakers and cameras...

I don't. People will grumble at most, then get used to it. Criminals may not mind being warned where police can see them, either.
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2006, 08:57:31 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2006, 07:01:07 AM »
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I predict widespread destruction of said speakers and cameras...

I don't. People will grumble at most, then get used to it. Criminals may not mind being warned where police can see them, either.
Oh, I don't know. Check out this page...
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2006, 07:07:16 AM »
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