This could get Interesting

[RoadKingLarry]

Rancher in Nevada has a long running dispute with the BLM over grazing rights and the desert tortoise.
BLM getting all jack bootyish.
Locals getting annoyed about it.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=1070&sid=29387272&fm=most_popular

http://www.infowars.com/feds-assault-cancer-victim-pregnant-woman-in-clash-with-bundy-supporters/

[Boomhauer]

Seriously, infowars???

Do some research before thinking this guy's a good guy.

[RoadKingLarry]

Seriously, infowars???

Do some research before thinking this guy's a good guy.

Not the only *expletive deleted*ing source I posted.
Nor did I take any stand on they guy being good or bad.
I just said it could get interesting.

[Ben]

I've been keeping up with it from what Fox News has been reporting. It looks like there's a bigger backstory, and so far I'm not really impressed with the rancher's reasoning.

On the other hand, the fed.gov is going WAY overboard on this, and I agree that the freakin' tac teams surrounding the place will lead to a bad end unless someone in (greater) authority steps in. Also, I saw in one story that the gov had spent nearly $1 million to round up, so far, around 100 cattle. They coulda got some rancher's kid on an ATV to do that for 50 bucks a cow.

[AJ Dual]

There definitely is the larger issue of why the fed.gov should own all this land in the first place... but barring that, the rancher's argument seems to be a variant of of the people on this board, and others who have to deal with hikers/campers/bums/ATV'ers/hunters trespassing on their land because of the "It's just empty woods! And I did it before!"-argument.

[Brad Johnson]

Rancher in Nevada has a long running dispute with the BLM over grazing rights and the desert tortoise.
BLM getting all jack bootyish.
Locals getting annoyed about it.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=1070&sid=29387272&fm=most_popular
This could get Interesting

Ayup.  This particular rancher's backstory notwithstanding, lotsa people in flyover country have had it with the BLM.  Heavy handed tactics, arbitrary decisions, questionable regulations, agents with a God complex, etc..  Unfortunately I can see this easily getting completely out of hand.  Only this time it won't be a single family home/religious compound, it will be the Fed.gov against an entire community of very pissed-off farmers, ranchers, and landowners.  If that happens it will jump past interesting right to "oh crap...".

Brad

[TommyGunn]

I've been keeping up with it from what Fox News has been reporting. It looks like there's a bigger backstory, and so far I'm not really impressed with the rancher's reasoning.

On the other hand, the fed.gov is going WAY overboard on this, and I agree that the freakin' tac teams surrounding the place will lead to a bad end unless someone in (greater) authority steps in. Also, I saw in one story that the gov had spent nearly $1 million to round up, so far, around 100 cattle. They coulda got some rancher's kid on an ATV to do that for 50 bucks a cow.

There seems to be a controversy about his paying grazing fees.  Apparently there's local fees & then there's federal fees. There's disagreement about what he has or has not paid.
Also, there is a backstory about an endangered tortoise that precipitated all this .... except even the government is apparently killing them off as there seems to be an over-abundance of them, now.  Go figure.
And yet another aspect; this guy is the last rancher in the area, the govt. has "run off" the others, part of (alledgedly) the Agenda 21 program.  One doesn't need Alex Jones & Infowars for that, THAT is a very real program that threatens our property rights across America.
I wish good fortune and a true aim for all the responding militias; may you keep your powder dry.
This may get interesting.  Hopefully sane heads will prevail.
I had higher hopes of that happening under Clinton's regime than Obama's, however. 

[Phyphor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA

[SADShooter]

There were allegations, I say again unsubstantiated rumor, in a discussion on FNC, that BLM had begun destroying confiscated cattle. Anyone have more light to shed?

[lupinus]

The dudes no saint, and seems a might nutty. But that said, I have no faith of a reasonable and proportionate response. Hopefully it doesn't happen, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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[Tallpine]

I've been keeping up with it from what Fox News has been reporting. It looks like there's a bigger backstory, and so far I'm not really impressed with the rancher's reasoning.

On the other hand, the fed.gov is going WAY overboard on this, and I agree that the freakin' tac teams surrounding the place will lead to a bad end unless someone in (greater) authority steps in. Also, I saw in one story that the gov had spent nearly $1 million to round up, so far, around 100 cattle. They coulda got some rancher's kid on an ATV to do that for 50 bucks a cow.

A million dollars to round up ~$100K worth of cattle 

[Ben]

A million dollars to round up ~$100K worth of cattle 

Well, when you send in helos, top of the line NVGs and FLIR, and every other high tech toy, and put them in the hands of $100/hr gov contractors,  I reckon the costs add up quick.

[KD5NRH]

There were allegations, I say again unsubstantiated rumor, in a discussion on FNC, that BLM had begun destroying confiscated cattle. Anyone have more light to shed?

No, but if you can make it credible enough to get PETA involved (and by involved, I mean doing something that gets Fed guns pointed at them) I'll watch the videos with a smile.

[RocketMan]

Two groups of less than savory characters butting heads over tortoises, one of the groups being the fed.gov with lots of tacticool toys.  Yep, this won't end well.  Pretty much a given that somebody's going to end up at ambient temperature.

[KD5NRH]

Two groups of less than savory characters butting heads over tortoises, one of the groups being the fed.gov with lots of tacticool toys.  Yep, this won't end well.  Pretty much a given that somebody's going to end up at ambient temperature.

Hence my idea of sending PETA protestors to absorb the first volley.

[SADShooter]

Two groups of less than savory characters butting heads over tortoises, one of the groups being the fed.gov with lots of tacticool toys.  Yep, this won't end well.  Pretty much a given that somebody's going to end up at or temporarily well above ambient temperature.

FTFY.

[Scout26]

And those bastards in Lexington and Concord.  How dare they defy the king and not turn in those cannon and powder.   

Yeah, he may not be a white knight, in a white hat, on a white horse, but neither is the .gov, and given how he seems to have a lot of support from neighbors and others that have to deal with the BLM.   It might get damn sporty.

[Phyphor]

Seems like the cell towers out there are having an issue....

[charby]

And those bastards in Lexington and Concord.  How dare they defy the king and not turn in those cannon and powder.   

Yeah, he may not be a white knight, in a white hat, on a white horse, but neither is the .gov, and given how he seems to have a lot of support from neighbors and others that have to deal with the BLM.   It might get damn sporty.

Public held land to generate income goes all the way back to the Land Ordinance of 1785. Its not a new thing.

[charby]

Ayup.  This particular rancher's backstory notwithstanding, lotsa people in flyover country have had it with the BLM.  Heavy handed tactics, arbitrary decisions, questionable regulations, agents with a God complex, etc..  Unfortunately I can see this easily getting completely out of hand.  Only this time it won't be a single family home/religious compound, it will be the Fed.gov against an entire community of very pissed-off farmers, ranchers, and landowners.  If that happens it will jump past interesting right to "oh crap...".

Brad

On a lot of BLM the ranchers have been getting off cheap for the AUM costs compared to what it really costs.

Here is a good argument on grazing vs recreation on public lands in regards to land usage.

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013/08/15/blm-public-lands-grazing-accounts-for-only-0-41-of-nations-livestock-receipts/

Here is a buy the number on costs from a few years ago

http://www.publiclandsranching.org/htmlres/fs_buy_the_numbers.htm

[Jocassee]

WAIT....I thought you said the BUNNY Ranch.

Bundy Ranch? Cows?

*expletive deleted*ck that noise. What lousy reason to start a fight...

[JN01]

Don't mess with the tortoises.  Unless you want to build a gigantic solar power plant, then you can "relocate" them. http://ivanpahsolar.com/ivanpahs-first-translocated-tortoise

Don't mess with Bald Eagles.  Unless you want to build a wind farm, then it's OK to kill them for the next 30 years.  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/6/obama-issues-permits-wind-farms-kill-more-eagles/

[RevDisk]

So, on one hand you have a guy who allegedly owes a million bucks of back fees from using public land for personal profit and on the other, you have thugs in uniform. Uhm, pray for a meteorite? Seriously, the feds could have just gotten a court order, and put a lien on the guy's property. OTOH, dude could have not leached off public property without paying for it.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/

[charby]

So, on one hand you have a guy who allegedly owes a million bucks of back fees from using public land for personal profit and on the other, you have thugs in uniform. Uhm, pray for a meteorite? Seriously, the feds could have just gotten a court order, and put a lien on the guy's property. OTOH, dude could have not leached off public property without paying for it.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/

Were you reading my mind?

[41magsnub]

And now James Yeager is heading down there.  I'm sure he will be a moderating influence.