pot is harmless

[freakazoid]

http://m.townhall.com/columnists/michaelschaus/2014/04/21/weed-is-the-new-jesus-in-colorado-n1826895?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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That article was awful, what about it?

[Balog]

CSD's trolling is boring.

But what's really fascinating is the one thing this study actually proves. Modern America treats "science" with the fervor of religious zealotry, so every charlatan and huckster (and noxious .gov official) desperately tries to cloak themselves in it. And people are too ignorant of what science actually is to notice or care. It's peasants who can't read basing their theology on the high priest's reading Mass in Latin. Almost anything can be "scientifically proven" with a little motivation, and that bad science can be spun hard by the people with an agenda. Hence all of the "pot causes brain damage" or "Conservatives are sociopaths"  etc allegedly scientific studies.

[Fitz]

A scientific study can be made to say almost anything.

It's funny how some will advocate statism in certain respects but not in others

[red headed stranger]

http://m.townhall.com/columnists/michaelschaus/2014/04/21/weed-is-the-new-jesus-in-colorado-n1826895?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. 

[BlueStarLizzard]

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. 

Or as Shakespear put it:
"Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?"



CSD, dude, you need to kick back with a bowl and chill. Is all good man.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

*Drive-by posting removed*

Instead we'll have a musical interlude:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psB0cidB5bg

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[Fitz]

Instead of just posting a link to a news story that takes your "argument" into a tangential direction, try to actually DEFEND your position, with reason and logic.

Just like yoga pants, drive by postings should be limited to very rare occasions

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

fitz  i am mostly amused that any defense is needed of a study that links a brain condition with amotivational syndrome and also with using pot.  its like defending water is wet. getting that result is why i smoked dope. for me it was a feature.
i do think folks who use may want to know what happens in their noggin. well some may some may not.
more amusing is the condition i described as "outrage amongst the faithful". many folks have a lot invested in "weed the concept" and they react much like folks whose religious tenants are assaulted by the infidel.
this study was particularly interesting cause no one has really looked at casual users brains like this that i know of.  the folks doing the study self described it as a pilot study with a very small sampling that warranted a larger look. its not like hes advocating burning copies of high times or anything. no need for fatwah

in particular folks might wanna really look long and hard at how weed affects the adolescents  and those who are adolescent in spirit


edited to add this quote from huff po piece on same study
it makes me wonder why folks got so defensive

The study is among the first to focus on possible brain effects in recreational pot smokers, said Dr. Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse. The federal agency helped pay for the work. She called the work important but preliminary.
 

[BlueStarLizzard]

So we should be shocked that a commen drug may perminatly affect adolescents when they use it?



Or is it just because, man, it's weed!! Instead of, oh, you know, caffine, adderall, nicotine, alcohol ect. ect...

[Balog]

I'd be very curious what damage is being permanently done to all the kids getting legal meth for imaginary ADD.

[Fitz]

fitz  i am mostly amused that any defense is needed of a study that links a brain condition with amotivational syndrome and also with using pot.  its like defending water is wet. getting that result is why i smoked dope. for me it was a feature.
i do think folks who use may want to know what happens in their noggin. well some may some may not.
more amusing is the condition i described as "outrage amongst the faithful". many folks have a lot invested in "weed the concept" and they react much like folks whose religious tenants are assaulted by the infidel.
this study was particularly interesting cause no one has really looked at casual users brains like this that i know of.  the folks doing the study self described it as a pilot study with a very small sampling that warranted a larger look. its not like hes advocating burning copies of high times or anything. no need for fatwah

in particular folks might wanna really look long and hard at how weed affects the adolescents  and those who are adolescent in spirit


edited to add this quote from huff po piece on same study
it makes me wonder why folks got so defensive

The study is among the first to focus on possible brain effects in recreational pot smokers, said Dr. Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse. The federal agency helped pay for the work. She called the work important but preliminary.
 

OK... so now that you've actually posted some thoughts, I have a few questions.

First, why should we spend federal money to find out that a mind altering drug alters your mind?

Second, what (if anything) does this do to damage the notion that the prohibition of MJ and its associated problems are worse than the damage the drug itself causes?

[Fitz]

So we should be shocked that a commen drug may perminatly affect adolescents when they use it?



Or is it just because, man, it's weed!! Instead of, oh, you know, caffine, adderall, nicotine, alcohol ect. ect...

No, see... those are legal. Therefore, just fine.

But the illegal drugs... see.... THAT'S what we should waste all kinds of money, lives, and effort on.

Never you mind that some of the legal ones are more harmful than pot. Irrelevant because the cops say its ok

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

First, why should we spend federal money to find out that a mind altering drug alters your mind?

Second, what (if anything) does this do to damage the notion that the prohibition of MJ and its associated problems are worse than the damage the drug itself causes?

1 perhaps since the fed is looking at changing its legal status>  wild guess
2 nothing  which is why i found the defense of the one true faith interesting

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I'd be very curious what damage is being permanently done to all the kids getting legal meth for imaginary ADD.

substitute sickened for curious

[Fitz]

First, why should we spend federal money to find out that a mind altering drug alters your mind?

Second, what (if anything) does this do to damage the notion that the prohibition of MJ and its associated problems are worse than the damage the drug itself causes?

1 perhaps since the fed is looking at changing its legal status>  wild guess
2 nothing  which is why i found the defense of the one true faith interesting

Regarding 1... we need to spend money to find out things we already know in order to change legal status?

2.) Then i guess i'm failing to see why its relevant at all.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

So we should be shocked that a commen drug may perminatly affect adolescents when they use it?



Or is it just because, man, it's weed!! Instead of, oh, you know, caffine, adderall, nicotine, alcohol ect. ect...

its not a drug dude its an herb!  god made it  its all good

[Angel Eyes]

Or as Shakespear put it:
"Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?

Or, as Martin Luther put it:

"Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?”

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Regarding 1... we need to spend money to find out things we already know in order to change legal status?

2.) Then i guess i'm failing to see why its relevant at all.

1 did we know ?  what?   and yea  the feds are funny like that

[Fitz]

1 did we know ?  what?   and yea  the feds are funny like that

It's pretty much common knowledge that mind altering drugs alter your mind in negative ways, is it not?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

this one is interesting   the adding of a lil schizo to the study is not surprising though some of the results were. and the longer term effects
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/teen-pot-use-could-hurt-brain-memory-new-research-suggests-f2D11741988

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

It's pretty much common knowledge that mind altering drugs alter your mind in negative ways, is it not?

i've not seen/felt that across the board  particularly with hallucinogens   or at least past the 48 hours post excursion

[fifth_column]

Regarding the tragic CO story:  Blaming THC for the man's horrendous actions is akin to blaming guns for adam lanza's even more horrendous actions.  As stated, and numerous studies have shown, THC has less negative side effects than many, perhaps even most, legal drugs.  Hell, it's much easier to OD on aspirin than it is MJ.  Caffeine is harder on a person's body than MJ, and caffeine has a rather mild effect on the body.  A body experiences withdrawal symptoms from caffeine, none from MJ.  MJ is similar to milk, or butter, or pizza for that matter: it's enjoyable to ingest, there are negligible side effects, there are essentially no negative lingering after effects, and no withdrawal symptoms.  In fact, I'm pretty sure regular use of butter has more long-term consequences than MJ.

Personally, I don't understand the opposition to MJ.  Like anything else, follow the money.  Who benefits from having a wildly popular substance banned? 

[zxcvbob]

Personally, I don't understand the opposition to MJ.  Like anything else, follow the money.  Who benefits from having a wildly popular substance banned?  

Marihuana is the most dangerous drug of all... specifically because it's NOT dangerous!    (That was supposed to be a Dr. Strangelove-esque joke, but I think it might be true and the real question is, dangerous to whom?)

[fifth_column]

Marihuana is the most dangerous drug of all... specifically because it's NOT dangerous!    (That was supposed to be a Dr. Strangelove-esque joke, but I think it might be true and the real question is, dangerous to whom?)

I guess you could say it's insidious because it's not dangerous.  But, honestly alcohol is much more insidious, in my experience.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Regarding the tragic CO story:  Blaming THC for the man's horrendous actions is akin to blaming guns for adam lanza's even more horrendous actions.  As stated, and numerous studies have shown, THC has less negative side effects than many, perhaps even most, legal drugs.  Hell, it's much easier to OD on aspirin than it is MJ.  Caffeine is harder on a person's body than MJ, and caffeine has a rather mild effect on the body.  A body experiences withdrawal symptoms from caffeine, none from MJ.  MJ is similar to milk, or butter, or pizza for that matter: it's enjoyable to ingest, there are negligible side effects, there are essentially no negative lingering after effects, and no withdrawal symptoms.  In fact, I'm pretty sure regular use of butter has more long-term consequences than MJ.

Personally, I don't understand the opposition to MJ.  Like anything else, follow the money.  Who benefits from having a wildly popular substance banned? 

have you read the story of what happened?  and in particular what aspect of edible products is a concern here?