Hunting accidents and gun rights

[Perd Hapley]

Heard this song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQyoSLOlglw - and it reminded me of how we're often told that shooting random innocent animals* is a good reason to have guns, but shooting two-legged critters who try to do us great bodily harm is not a good reason.

I wonder if the geniuses who give so much thought to accidents and suicides and assaults/murders committed by carry permit holders have ever thought to compare those stats with the those on hunting accidents. 


*Naturally, I fully support the casual slaughter of random innocent animals. I eat them every day.

[cordex]

Many hunters have carry permits too.

[Tallpine]

People get themselves hurt in all sorts of outdoor activities.

Skis and 4-wheelers are probably more deadly than guns.

[Perd Hapley]

People get themselves hurt in all sorts of outdoor activities.

Skis and 4-wheelers are probably more deadly than guns.

But guns are made for killing!! Skis are gentle, and peace-loving.

[Tallpine]

But guns are made for killing!! Skis are gentle, and peace-loving.

Just wait until I come after you with a ski pole 

[dm1333]

Ask Sonny Bono how he feels about skis!   

[Tallpine]

Ask Sonny Bono how he feels about skis!   

Or trees 

I wonder how many people are killed by trees each year? 

Let's get rid of all the trees     

[Perd Hapley]

Or trees 

I wonder how many people are killed by trees each year? 

Let's get rid of all the trees     

Once a lumberjack, I guess.

[Regolith]

Heard this song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQyoSLOlglw - and it reminded me of how we're often told that shooting random innocent animals* is a good reason to have guns, but shooting two-legged critters who try to do us great bodily harm is not a good reason.

I wonder if the geniuses who give so much thought to accidents and suicides and assaults/murders committed by carry permit holders have ever thought to compare those stats with the those on hunting accidents. 


*Naturally, I fully support the casual slaughter of random innocent animals. I eat them every day.

Generally speaking, hunting is actually one of the safest sports. And most of the injuries and deaths come from things like spraining an ankle or breaking a leg while hiking, falling out of tree stands, and heart attacks caused by physical exertion. Very few come from people shooting each other.

[freakazoid]

Generally speaking, hunting is actually one of the safest sports. And most of the injuries and deaths come from things like spraining an ankle or breaking a leg while hiking, falling out of tree stands, and heart attacks caused by physical exertion. Very few come from people shooting each other.

Safest for the willing participants.

[grampster]

I wonder what the gun stats would look like if all the shootings that were crime connected, ie: criminals shooting criminals, were removed.  In other words how often do normally law abiding people who have firearms and or CCW are involved in criminally deliberate or accidental shootings.

[Tallpine]

I wonder what the gun stats would look like if all the shootings that were crime connected, ie: criminals shooting criminals, were removed.  In other words how often do normally law abiding people who have firearms and or CCW are involved in criminally deliberate or accidental shootings.

Generally, just once 

[Matthew Carberry]

I wonder what the gun stats would look like if all the shootings that were crime connected, ie: criminals shooting criminals, were removed.  In other words how often do normally law abiding people who have firearms and or CCW are involved in criminally deliberate or accidental shootings.

120K firearms homicides and injuries, all sources, per year.

650 ish fatal accidents per year, total. 20K Suicides.

You've got 9,500 or so homicides, maybe 500 are justifiable(?), about 8,000 with handguns.

Per CDC 2/3+ firearm homicides are "gang-related."  So controlling for "gang related" about 3,000 per year "normal" homicides.

12 million carry permit holders (not counting Con Carry OC or CC folks).

Best the VPC could come up with, using uselessly flawed counting, was <100 per year "permitted" killers, so even granting their "worst-case" you're talking statistical noise.

Couple interesting recent studies out of Chicago show that 90% of homicides and firearms assaults involve a limited number of loosely affiliated people in a very limited number of streets (not even whole neighborhoods). NYC has similar data.

Realistically, if you could control for criminal history and/or criminal association we'd have a "gun crime rate" as low as anyone.