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« on: September 23, 2006, 12:02:56 PM »
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4208597.html

 Sept. 22, 2006, 10:38PM
Residents beat man accused of showing porn

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DALLAS  About a dozen residents of a Dallas neighborhood beat a man after reports that he had been showing pornographic pictures to children on a playground, police said.

Brandon Scott Burke, 20, showed up Wednesday at an Oak Cliff apartment complex and was alleged to have shown a magazine with pictures of naked women to some of the children playing there, police said.

When one of the mothers saw him and asked Burke what he was doing, he tried to run and the woman started screaming, said Elizabeth Williams, the mother of another child. According to a police report, Burke said about 15 men "jumped him and hit him repeatedly on the face with their fists." He suffered minor injuries, police said.

At least four children saw the nude pictures, police said. Burke was arrested on suspicion of harmful display to a minor.
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2006, 12:28:50 PM »
Scumbag.

Last year, some scumbag in my mother-in-law's neighborhood molested a six year-old girl in the middle of the day.

When the girl told her mother, the mother told a neighbor, and a bunch of guys from the neighborhood found the guy and beat him near to death.

When the cops showed up, all they said was, "thanks." Smiley

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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2006, 12:34:40 PM »
I can see myself now at that age...

"Sweet, free porn!"

Seriously though, 15 men were just milling around a playground?
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2006, 12:40:24 PM »
sometimes, cities are like that.
One quiet afternoon a skell mugged an old lady
in my NY neighborhood, 15 minutes later a crowd of
20/30 young men broke his arm and stomped him
real bad.
The rest of the afternoon was quiet too.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2006, 12:58:40 PM »
If it's a playground in a good-sized park then there may be a lot of men there with their kids or families.

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2006, 02:24:10 PM »
Yeah, cause the image/representation of a nude female on a page is so much worse than real violence and brutality viewed up close and personal.

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2006, 02:50:04 PM »
Did they beat their children too for having the audacity to look at pictures of naked women? Do they blindfold crowning fetuses in Texas too?

I think that, in a lot of ways, our extremely conservative population could get along very well in countries like Iran, they already have many of the same rules, and they could have stoned this young man with the complete blessing of the government. This sort of mob morality is exactly the sort of code they use in the backwards Islamic countries that we pretend to be superior to.

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2006, 03:12:51 PM »
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Yeah, cause the image/representation of a nude female on a page is so much worse than real violence and brutality viewed up close and personal.
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2006, 06:34:14 PM »
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Seriously though, 15 men were just milling around a playground?
At an Oak Cliff apartment complex? Yeah, there will always be 15 men milling around nearby. Think Cabrini Green with a southern, more conservative slant.

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Yeah, cause the image/representation of a nude female on a page is so much worse than real violence and brutality viewed up close and personal.
How about personal violation? Think a child being raped by an adult is better than "real violence and brutality (against a child molestor) viewed up close"? Or maybe you think he was simply an artist showing off his tasteful nudes?
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2006, 08:04:27 PM »
I lived in both Yonkers and the Bronx as a kid.
You know who I met as a kid?
Son of Sam, one of the sickest pups out there.
How did I meet him?
He came up to a friend and I in Vancortland park and showed us some porn and attempted to lure us
into a car, I was about 9 at the time and he was bit younger then when he was caught too.
Grown men who go around exposing little kids to porn are definetly up to no good.
This has nothing to do with religious or conservative values, ...gee whiz...

"Yeah, cause the image/representation of a nude female on a page is so much worse than real violence and brutality viewed up close and personal."

it's not about the nudity, it's about protecting children.  If I ever have kids and some skell stranger comes around showing porn , I will treat him like a potential son of sam serial killer because in my experience he very well may be...

Why can't kids be kids nowadays? why must they be forced to confront adult issues before they can even spell adult or issue?
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2006, 08:21:29 PM »
Gunsmith, I'm glad you came out alive.

There are some people who just need to be killed, and I'm tired of the argument over whether or not the death penalty will deter crime.

If it eliminates just one lifetime predator from society, it's worth it. (Think about that, Sarah Brady).

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2006, 08:43:08 PM »
Thanks monkeyleg.

Perhaps there wouldn't be this "mob mentality" if we didn't have this insipid
 mentality that wants to force perversity down the throats of little kids.
If perhaps people who get caught molesting children did serious time, then people wouldn't
have to take matters into their own hands.

If the cops had caught this guy first , what would have happened? probably not much.
I am glad he got some frontier justice, some folks just want to force kids into being nice little
subjects for their own sexual hang ups... they were probably treated horribly themselves as kids...

But while I feel sorry for the kid they once were I will not sit by while they treat a little kid as their sexual plaything...

Comparing this crowd to Iran or any place like that shows a deliberate misunderstanding
of things of this nature.

They execute gays over there, they execute their own sisters for getting raped, they hide behind kids and shoot at soldiers.    Those are not now nor have they ever been conservative values.

I guess I can now say raping children is a liberal value?
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2006, 09:36:37 PM »
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I lived in both Yonkers and the Bronx as a kid.
You know who I met as a kid?
Son of Sam, one of the sickest pups out there.
How did I meet him?
He came up to a friend and I in Vancortland park and showed us some porn and attempted to lure us
into a car, I was about 9 at the time and he was bit younger then when he was caught too.
Grown men who go around exposing little kids to porn are definetly up to no good.
This has nothing to do with religious or conservative values, ...gee whiz...

"Yeah, cause the image/representation of a nude female on a page is so much worse than real violence and brutality viewed up close and personal."

it's not about the nudity, it's about protecting children.  If I ever have kids and some skell stranger comes around showing porn , I will treat him like a potential son of sam serial killer because in my experience he very well may be...

Why can't kids be kids nowadays? why must they be forced to confront adult issues before they can even spell adult or issue?
Maybe I wasn't as clear as I should have been.  I have a big problem with strangers showing porn to kids in a park.  I know that predators use pornography as a way to overcome a child's natural repulsion and inhibition to being exploited sexually.  I respect what these men in Texas did.

It just struck me as ironic.  The parents were no doubt trying to protect their children from images that could rob them of their innocence.  Yet in so doing, they showed their children something much worse.  At the very least they should have chased the pervert out of the park, and out of sight of the children there, before beating the daylights out of the perv.  

Ugliness is ugliness, be it pornography or violence.  Those children received two doses of ugliness that day, not just one.  That's a shame.

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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2006, 09:49:25 PM »
What's amazing to me is that the troll that was taken into custody/beaten/prone to poor judgement  is a white guy. Most of the residents in the area are black or hispanic.

That in and of itself is not what surprises me. What does surprise me is that 1). he lived to be arrested and 2). he appears relatively unscathed in his mug shot.

It's simply an example of good community policing in action by the residents. How he avoided being found a week from now in a landfill is the mystery.

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2006, 10:03:23 PM »
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The parents were no doubt trying to protect their children from images that could rob them of their innocence.  Yet in so doing, they showed their children something much worse.  At the very least they should have chased the pervert out of the park, and out of sight of the children there, before beating the daylights out of the perv.  

Ugliness is ugliness, be it pornography or violence.  Those children received TWO doses of ugliness that day.
Hogwash.  Sexual harrasment OF CHILDREN is much worse than giving the perv some minor injuries?  That makes no sense.  The kids saw some pornography, then they saw the sicko get man-handled by a crowd that was looking out for them.  

I don't know precisely what these guys did, and I'd prefer a simple arrest and harsh sentence.  But they apparently caught and detained the guy.  They also showed the kids that adults should protect children and that the man was in the wrong.  The next time they're approached by a pervert (God forbid) they'll be less likely to believe the "This is our little secret" line.  If it got a little out-of-hand, well - it ain't no perfect world.  It's too bad HTG wasn't there to direct them to be more discreet - you expect a little too much from an ad hoc neighborhood watch confronted with the unexpected.

Showing sexual images to a kid and showing him violence are not the same thing.  These kids probably saw more violence than they should have at their age, but violence is simply a reality they will have to face sooner or later, and learn to meet with even greater force.  Sex, on the other hand, is and should be private, while violence just doesn't have that element.  We teach our kids, hands-on, how to shoot or how to take down an attacker, but we don't sit by the bed and coach them through their first sexual encounter.  At least I hope you all don't.
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2006, 10:10:07 PM »
c_yeager, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in hoping that you were drunk when you posted that goofiness.  It is Saturday night, after all.

This guy violated some children's minds, and the neighbors came together to arrest the jerk.  Guess they must have voted for Aminijad or whatever his name may be.  Oh, no, they hit him a few times, what a bunch of Talibanis!
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2006, 11:12:06 PM »
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Showing sexual images to a kid and showing him violence are not the same thing.  These kids probably saw more violence than they should have at their age, but violence is simply a reality they will have to face sooner or later, and learn to meet with even greater force.  Sex, on the other hand, is and should be private, while violence just doesn't have that element.  We teach our kids, hands-on, how to shoot or how to take down an attacker, but we don't sit by the bed and coach them through their first sexual encounter.  At least I hope you all don't.
We DO walk our kids through sex.  At least I hope we all do.  No, we may not be there in the room with little (actually not so little at this point) Timmy and Sally when they go at it for the first time.  But our lessons, teachings, and advice damn well better be there in that bed with them.

Trying to prevent your son from seeing naked girlie pics is a senseless exercise.  If he has half a brain (or any friends with half a brain) then I guarantee he's already managed to see some.  If your little chillen is a daughter, then it doesn't matter.  The bottom line is that there isn't much harm in him or her seeing a page or two out of Playboy magazine.  

Now, the fact that a grown man is in a playground passing around pornography is a serious problem, an indicator that he's up to no good.  YES, protect your children and your neighbors' children from him.  But be an adult about it.  Be responsible and set a proper example for your children.  

Yes, we do teach our kids how to defend theselves, and how to kill if necesary.  We teach them HOW to use violence.  But we also teach them WHEN to use violence.  Violence is only appropriate to prevent an immediate threat, and even then only if there are no other convenient alternatives.  The sight of a naked woman on a page simply isn't an immediate threat.  It doesn't merit a bloody response.

Run the guy off.  Make sure he KNOWS, deep down, that he isn't welcome.  Rough him up if you truly think that that is the only way to pretect your children from him in the long run.  But for God's sake, be responsible enough to do it away from the view of the children.  They don't need to have their faces rubbed into the harsh realities of the world.  Let them be children, innocently playing in the playground.  

Protect them, using violence and force if necessary, but let them remain happily oblivous to the uglieness that might have ensnared them that day.

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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2006, 01:33:29 AM »
I agree with c_yeager RE: the "mob rule".

I also agree with corporal punishment; a good public thrashing administered by the State is appropriate here - and then a short stay in a real prison turning big rocks into little rocks.

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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2006, 05:27:34 AM »
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Perhaps.  What is that?
Fukasaki was a Japanese filmmaker who did not at all believe that being exposed to media violence harms kids. Suffce to say he believed his film - Battle Royale - should be open to chidlren to view.

At any rate: Violence is not necessarily inherently bad nor ugly. It's (like sex) morally neutral. Getting to see your loved ones act in this way to protect you is not the ugliest  thing that could happen to a child. Many things that children are exposed to on a daily basis are worse.

I do, however, agree with the Headless Thompson Gunner.
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2006, 06:17:48 AM »
it not about showing a kid porn, it is about the fact there are to many sick people out there willing to use it to lure a child and make their own porn with him.  So yeah if you coem around the play ground saying hey kid look at this and whipping out some porn expect to get your ass kicked because you should.

Oh and wait, let me say it for the smartasses who disagree getting ready to say it....

"It's for the children!"

There its been said figure out something better to come back with then a mocking quote of it being for the children.
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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2006, 06:31:05 AM »
I understand the arguments against mob rule...but it's gotten to the point where most criminals know the system very well, and they could care less about getting booked by police.  If and when they ever get to court, they will walk and they know it.   I think it's a shame that men have gotten so wussified (or terrified of the legal actions against THEM) that they will at most call 911 to request documentation on an event that will soon be repeated.  There are a lot of young predators out there who could benefit more from a permanent limp instead of a another blackmark on their record.

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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2006, 07:13:06 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2006, 07:28:22 AM »
Hmm.

I got into my Dad's Playboy and Penthouse magazines constantly when I was a kid. There was nowhere he could hide them that I couldn't find them. I seem to have turned out okay.

Pervs out there doing what this guy did need a swift kick in the family heirlooms, which is exactly what he got.

Betcha a dollar to a dime he won't show his face around that playground again.
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2006, 08:06:26 AM »
Sorry, I don't mean to hijack or divert this thread...but it got me thinking about something that happened about 43 years ago.  
We lived next to a hilly little cut-through street that was basically impassable when it snowed.  All the kids in the neighborhood sledded on it.  Everyone in the neighborhood knew not to use the street when it snowed -hint 20 little kids flying down the hill on sleds.  On this particular weekend we were all out there sledding when a yuong guy pulled up to the bottom of the hill and stopped.  Then he floored it and attempted to come up the hill.  Kids were scrambling frantically to get out of this way, as his car fish-tailed up the hill.  I didn't even see my father come out of the house, until he reached through the guy's open window and pulled him halfway through it.  He then drove his fist into the guy's nose.  Blood went everywhere.  He asked the kid if was going to try that again.  I believe he said no.  It was my first real exposure to violence...and it was good.  My dad's Playboys were good as well.  As I recall that never happened again...nor was there any police involvement.  Good Lord, how did we survive back then without Dr. Phil, Oprah, and Juvenile court system.

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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2006, 09:00:30 AM »
Lee,

I watched my Grandad "rough up" a kid who had shot me in the back with a pellet gun. When Grandad was done, he hauled the kid off to the kid's folk's place and told the kid's Grandfather what had happened. Kid's Grandfather told my Grandad "I'll take care of it". No police, no retaliation, nothing.

I was never in my life more proud of my Grandad.

Grandad didn't really hurt the kid, just pushed him around a little and twisted his arm behind his back to haul him off to his folks.
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