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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2006, 09:03:39 AM »
What's this country coming to?  A man can hardly go into the local playground and show some kids a few dirty pictures of naked people, without being attacked by right-wing religous extremists.  How am I supposed to find children who share my interest in non-conventional sex?  If I see another Bible-thumping mob hanging around a playground, I'm gonna go nuts.
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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2006, 03:47:46 AM »
Sad thing is, in some places the cops & politicians would spend more time tracking down and prosecuting the members of the "mob" who administered the attitude adjustment to the perv, than they would prosecuting the perv in the first place. (Wonder how it would have played out in the press if the perv were black and got clobbered by a white mob . . . )
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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2006, 02:32:36 PM »
Sylvilagus Aquaticus has the right question. Every bit of it and then some.
Another point of this story I think this reads more like an apartment complex playground. Like the one in the middle of 6-8 buildings. The men involved in the behavioural correction may have been the day workers who get hired near the hardware store. Work nights in the greasy spoon. Draw unimployment for months at a time.

Maybe a new standard of mutilation would stand a better example to those who would do children harm. Seems there are lots of adults who have some experiences of one level or another who did not grow up to this favor forward. Those who impersonate humans should be given an honest chance to think about the actions first. I could see a blind mute having a hard time attracting kids with photos or other lures.
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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2006, 04:33:36 PM »
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Sad thing is, in some places the cops & politicians would spend more time tracking down and prosecuting the members of the "mob" who administered the attitude adjustment to the perv, than they would prosecuting the perv in the first place.
Assault and Battery > showing nudie pictures to kids. Maybe its a fine line, but actual violence trumps social crime.

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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2006, 05:25:13 PM »
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Assault and Battery > showing nudie pictures to kids. Maybe its a fine line, but actual violence trumps social crime.
Please explain.  What do you mean by social crime?

Considering the circumstances, would the actions of these men really fit the definition of assault and battery?  If not self-defense, can they not claim defense of others?
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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2006, 07:11:01 PM »
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Considering the circumstances, would the actions of these men really fit the definition of assault and battery?  If not self-defense, can they not claim defense of others?
Yes.  No.  It doesn't mean he wasn't a dumbass asking for a beating, but I'm not familiar with the statute that excuses the actions of the beaters.

Being Oak Cliff, I suspect the kids had previous exposure to violence and probably sexual material.  I wonder how many of the 15 were hanging around smoking crack before they gave whitey an ass-whoopin'?  I'm surprised that anyone called the cops and that they showed up.

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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2006, 08:35:10 PM »
THE FOLLOWING ISN'T REALLY DIRECTED AT ANY ONE PERSON

plain old simple commen sense.
mike jackson wannabe  shows up showing LITTLE KIDS
naked pics and got a well deserved bruise or two from the local
youths and young men.

if you really are questioning  the actions of the
"neighborhood watch" then you are are no doubt victims of some kind of childhood
sexual abuse, and rather then put the blame
where it belongs (probably your parents) you sexualize children
 and identify with the abuser.  I am sad that your parents hurt you when you
were young, but if If  you try infecting the next generation  don't be surprised
if  someone  sneaks up behind you with a  with a suppressed .45acp  and apply
a little first aid to your desperately chronic lead deffiency.
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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2006, 03:06:51 AM »
OK, that was just bizarre.
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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2006, 03:24:48 AM »
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Assault and Battery > showing nudie pictures to kids. Maybe its a fine line, but actual violence trumps social crime.
We differ here, it's NOT such a fine line: attitude adjustment <<< adult perv approaching little kids with porn in hand.
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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2006, 04:16:05 AM »
HankB, sometimes talking sense is a waste of time.
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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2006, 08:29:15 AM »
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Assault and Battery > showing nudie pictures to kids. Maybe its a fine line, but actual violence trumps social crime.
Please explain.  What do you mean by social crime?
Crime in which people arent actually hurt in any way. I realize that the guy showing pictures to kids is not a good person, and shouldnt be allowed around children, he is probably a potential child molestor, *but* the showing of pictures itself is unlikely to cause damage to a child's psyche.

Now, seeing their father beat a young man senseless in front of them on the other hand...

The self defense argument is laughable on it's face. The guy was running away and had to be restrained in order to be beaten.

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We differ here, it's NOT such a fine line: attitude adjustment <<< adult perv approaching little kids with porn in hand.
Lovely, so who gets to decide what attidues need adjusting and how? The mob? Wanna go back to lynchings too?

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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2006, 08:41:46 AM »
Your reading comprehension is laughable.  No one has claimed the men acted in self-defense.  

Even if you think that showing pornography to children is not actually damaging, it should certainly be considered criminal for strangers to do so without the consent of parents.  Other than that, it is rather odd to claim that looking at pornography doesn't hurt children, but seeing a few punches to the face is damaging.
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2006, 08:49:09 AM »
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Your reading comprehension is laughable.  No one has claimed the men acted in self-defense.
Really?

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Considering the circumstances, would the actions of these men really fit the definition of assault and battery?  If not self-defense, can they not claim defense of others?
You might want to work on reading your own posts. Maybe the best advice you could give is that people disregard your statements with the same dedication that you do yourself.

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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2006, 08:49:34 AM »
Maybe we should refer to the article:  
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When one of the mothers saw him and asked Burke what he was doing, he tried to run and the woman started screaming, said Elizabeth Williams, the mother of another child. According to a police report, Burke said about 15 men "jumped him and hit him repeatedly on the face with their fists." He suffered minor injuries, police said.
So, did these men know what the man had done, or were they just trying to help the screaming woman?  Do we have any more info?
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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2006, 08:51:44 AM »
OK, c_yeager, I just read it.  Still don't see what you're referring to.
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« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2006, 08:53:05 AM »
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OK, c_yeager, I just read it.  Still don't see what you're referring to.
Amazing.

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« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2006, 12:07:24 PM »
When I wrote, "if not self-defense," I thought it would be clear that I meant "As they cannot claim self-defense...".

So we can argue hermeneutics, but are you going to answer why seeing a bad guy receive minor injuries is harmful to children, while seeing pornography is not?
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« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2006, 05:29:04 PM »
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When I wrote, "if not self-defense," I thought it would be clear that I meant "As they cannot claim self-defense...".

So we can argue hermeneutics, but are you going to answer why seeing a bad guy receive minor injuries is harmful to children, while seeing pornography is not?
naked stranger in two dimensions

vs.

your father beating someone in real life right in front of you.

Obviously it's subjective, but it is still pretty clear to me which action has more direct impact on a child.

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« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2006, 05:42:06 PM »
I, for one, would much rather my children witness a righteous beating than have the pervy perp get away.  That particular perv will be off the streets for a while and all the hullabaloo generated may dissuade other pervs.

Just maybe, the kids who witnessed the thumping will walk awy believing that there are some thing beyond the pale.
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« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2006, 06:11:29 PM »
As I said before, the kids learned something.  One problem with pedophiles is that they convince children that they can't do anything, that their parents will be mad at them if they find out, etc.  These kids learned differently.  They learned that there are things strange adults aren't allowed to do to them, and that other adults will help them.  

Also, sex and the use of force are both things that are quite appropriate in the right context.  Outside that context, they can be very destructive.  One quarell I have with c_yeager's thinking on this, is that he ignores the context of both things in the story.  Whatever one thinks of porn, this was the wrong context for any sexual messages of any kind - young children, an adult stranger of questionable motives.  Whether the beating administered, which doesn't appear to have been that severe, was perfectly legal or was precisely the right thing to do, it was in a far more appropriate context - stopping a potential childing molester.
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« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2006, 07:25:18 PM »
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Whether the beating administered, which doesn't appear to have been that severe, was perfectly legal or was precisely the right thing to do, it was in a far more appropriate context - stopping a potential childing molester.
The problem is that your concept of the context here is deeply flawed. The perp has no criminal record and his crime certainly wasnt enough to make him a child molestor. Furthermore, the beating certainly didnt stop him, a woman yelling was sufficient for that. They could just as easily have simply restrained him from getting away if that was what they wanted.

For the record, Ms. Williams who was one of the only people who witnessed what Burke was doing and alerted people in the first place also thinks the beating was innapropriate, despite the fact that it was her daughter that was being "potentially molested" by Burke.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092206dnmetmagazine.28c0630.html

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Ms. Williams said she appreciates her neighbors' help, but no one should have beaten Mr. Burke.

"I wish they would just hold him," Ms. Williams said. "I'm glad someone was there to stop him, but I'd rather police handle the justice."

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« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2006, 09:35:57 PM »
I am NOT going to get into the arguement here. however, a questin has kinda been asked...

>If the cops had caught this guy first , what would have happened? probably not much.<

By experience (a BACA case), roughly three months. A lot would depend on how many counts they nailed the guy with...

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« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2006, 09:45:02 PM »
I saw violence as a little kid.

When I was about 10 a large adult male hit me (with a chain) and dragged
me down the block because I sat on his car.
(in NYC people sit on cars,usually no biggie).

The neighborhood teens beat the crap out of him.

I learned that some of my neighbors will not
sit idly by while some 200 lb skell
beats the crap out of 70 lb child.

I think it's better for a kid to watch a child harmer get swift retribution
then it is to see an unfortunate crack ho pose for crack ho mag.
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« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2006, 11:57:48 PM »
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Sad thing is, in some places the cops & politicians would spend more time tracking down and prosecuting the members of the "mob" who administered the attitude adjustment to the perv, than they would prosecuting the perv in the first place.
Yes, because Assault is a serious crime.

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« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2006, 03:30:01 AM »
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Furthermore, the beating certainly didnt stop him, a woman yelling was sufficient for that.
You forgot the qualifying words: this time. While there are no guarantees, the relatively mild beating the perp received certainly seems as if it would provide more negative reinforcement than a woman yelling.
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Yes, because Assault is a serious crime.
Fortunately, defense of a child is not. At least, not yet.
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