SCOTUS rules for Hobby Lobby in contraception case

[Balog]

A total of 20 types on the insurance plan. I'm sure it's mostly just different brands of the same general thing. Only 4 are abortifacent, and those are the only ones HL didn't want to supply.

[MillCreek]

if I recall correctly, the main contraception being objected to in these cases was the morning after pill, insofar as some see it as an abortifacient, and that it be mandated to be covered under the insurance.   This is now available over the counter at a fairly nominal cost.

[onions!]

My employer only offers two, regardless of gender; abstinence, or abstinence and STFU about it.

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[roo_ster]

I can think of no more expensive way to pay for contraception than the gov't-stroked prepaid medical plan.  Take a cheap & ubiquitous drug and insert 20 grubby & sticky-fingered bureaucrats between buyer and seller to make the effective cost go through the roof.

And make no mistake, this sort of thing is prepaid medical and not insurance.

[RevDisk]

I can think of no more expensive way to pay for contraception than the gov't-stroked prepaid medical plan.  Take a cheap & ubiquitous drug and insert 20 grubby & sticky-fingered bureaucrats between buyer and seller to make the effective cost go through the roof.

And make no mistake, this sort of thing is prepaid medical and not insurance.

http://planbonestep.com/coupon.aspx

Roughly $45-$50 without $10 coupon. Found at Walmart, Target, Walgreens, et al.

[SADShooter]

See how this decision potentially opens the door to stoning (the painful kind with actual rocks) and genital mutilation: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/30/religious-companies-opt-out-of-laws_n_5544582.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

(Don't ask me why I opened a HuffPo link-no good explanation beyond morbid fascination.)

[RevDisk]

Taxes, unless you want to stop using anything that is paid for by taxes, nope. Social Security IS however optional on religious grounds, which the Amish already won. Thing is, they don't pay for it, but they don't collect either. They have their own version.

Stoning and honor killings, because you'd be causing direct harm to another person, that'd be a no.

Weed/hemp, LSD, perhaps they SHOULD be legalized, you friggin statist morons?

Also, nudity and raw milk are legal in certain areas. Or at least, the laws aren't enforced. The raw milk became an issue locally with the feds.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/?page=all

There are signs locally for raw milk, so if it's illegal, it's not well enforced. I suspect it's only "interstate commerce" illegal.

[dogmush]

So let me get this straight,  because my wife's family is exploding liberal all over Facebook.  Facts of case are:

HL'S insurance carrier offers a variety of contraceptives.  But only ones that do the work prior to conception.

Employee wanted the morning after pill,  which since it does it's deed after the sperm and egg meet,  HL considers an abortion.

Rather then take any of the number of available,  paid for drugs, or get her own abortion,  Employee sued.

That pretty much what happened?

[dm1333]

So let me get this straight,  because my wife's family is exploding liberal all over Facebook.  Facts of case are:

HL'S insurance carrier offers a variety of contraceptives.  But only ones that do the work prior to conception.

Employee wanted the morning after pill,  which since it does it's deed after the sperm and egg meet,  HL considers an abortion.

Rather then take any of the number of available,  paid for drugs, or get her own abortion,  Employee sued.

That pretty much what happened?

I don't think Hobby Lobby was sued by an employee.  They filed suit against .gov, specifically HHS.

[Unisaw]

It seems there has been quite a progression from "you must let me do x" to "you must approve of x" to "you must pay for me to do x," and not just on this particular issue.

[Perd Hapley]

It seems there has been quite a progression from "you must let me do x" to "you must approve of x" to "you must pay for me to do x," and not just on this particular issue.

Oh, yeah.

[RoadKingLarry]

Taxes, unless you want to stop using anything that is paid for by taxes, nope. Social Security IS however optional on religious grounds, which the Amish already won. Thing is, they don't pay for it, but they don't collect either. They have their own version.

Unlike those of us that are forced to pay in to it and will likely never see a dime of it come back.

[KD5NRH]

It seems there has been quite a progression from "you must let me do x" to "you must approve of x" to "you must pay for me to do x," and not just on this particular issue.

I've been entertaining myself on FB by telling various people who bitch about it that if refusing to pay for something is violating another person's rights, they can go buy me the stuff on my Midway wish list and stop violating my Second Amendment rights.

[roo_ster]

It seems there has been quite a progression from "you must let me do x" to "you must approve of x" to "you must pay for me to do x," and not just on this particular issue.

“I’ve just flown in from California, where they’ve made homosexuality legal. I thought I’d get out before they make it compulsory.”
----Bob Hope

[sumpnz]

While trying to keep up on where traffic was bad I had the radio on while driving home from the Oregon Coast yesterday.  The talk show that was on had a couple fill in hosts that were talking about this.  The woman of the team was bitching because the BC she wanted wasn't covered by the Mormon owned parent company of the station.  She wanted some name brand OC but couldn't afford (or at least justify in her mind) paying $50/month (or whatever) out of her own pocket and got the generic instead for $15/month.  Somehow this got morphed into feeling like her employer was standing between her and her doctor.  Ummmm, cry me a river??  Her gyn apparently recommended an IUD, but without "insurance" coverage for that it was "out of her price range". 

God forbid we allow the marketplace's price signals to direct our behavior. 

[Perd Hapley]

While trying to keep up on where traffic was bad I had the radio on while driving home from the Oregon Coast yesterday.  The talk show that was on had a couple fill in hosts that were talking about this.  The woman of the team was bitching because the BC she wanted wasn't covered by the Mormon owned parent company of the station.  She wanted some name brand OC but couldn't afford (or at least justify in her mind) paying $50/month (or whatever) out of her own pocket and got the generic instead for $15/month.  Somehow this got morphed into feeling like her employer was standing between her and her doctor.  Ummmm, cry me a river??  Her gyn apparently recommended an IUD, but without "insurance" coverage for that it was "out of her price range". 

God forbid we allow the marketplace's price signals to direct our behavior. 

And she doesn't realize that she's asking her employer to stand there, with his wallet out. 

Or like the little gem I ran across on Twitchy last night - some moron saying that the Supremes should have ruled against Hobby Lobby, as their employees' reproductive health is not that company's business.

[grampster]

The underlying reality of this decision should have the neo-libprogs dancing in the street.  Why? Because it is a declaration of the 1A(part B) "The Freedom From Religion."
This got the goobermint out of religion because Ubomacare mandated the providing of birth control of all types and the court told the government they must remain separate and stay out of religious belief.  I've been annoying  the spit slingers by telling 'em that on Book of Faces.  If you don't want religion telling you how to live by mingling church and state, then you can't tell the religious how they must live in the same fashion.

Funny how the left always wants it cake and eat it too, but throws a fit if they can't.

[erictank]

I must have seen half a dozen of my FB friends post a picture from NARAL, with a picture of a packet of Viagra on the left ("Under the Supreme Court ruling, THIS is legally covered by health insurance...") and a case of some form of hormonal birth control pills, one of the little round cases with 30 pills around the edge so she can easily see that's she's current on her pill, on the right ("... and this is illegal.")

I so want to tear into these people for either being dupes, or for lying, but I know that if I do, it'll be blown off - and mostly because all those people are women and I'm an EvilMaleâ„¢.

[dogmush]

Disregarding the difference between not covered by insurance and illegal, as I understand it the hormonal birth control was covered by Hobby Lobby's insurance.

[erictank]

Disregarding the difference between not covered by insurance and illegal, as I understand it the hormonal birth control was covered by Hobby Lobby's insurance.

It was. Always has been, IIRC. They want to disallow coverage for the 4 types (out of 20 "birth control" methods that are currently FDA-approved) which they call abortifacients, but have no issues covering the other 16, which prevent fertilization from occurring..

Those 16 are of the type NARAL refers to as "illegal" in the image my leftist FB friends have been posting. The 30-day hormonal BC pill packs.


ETA: Found the image -

I was wrong about the text. Just says, "Covered." and "Not Covered." Which is still a lie, of course. What I posted previously was obviously either editorializing in the text of the post by someone in the posting chain on FB, or my own faulty memory writing something which was not there. Not sure which, at the moment.

[TommyGunn]

“I’ve just flown in from California, where they’ve made homosexuality legal. I thought I’d get out before they make it compulsory.”
----Bob Hope

  Thanks, I needed the laugh.

[Firethorn]

razor's edge

Razor's edge indeed.  With 5-4 decisions what I think is really happening is that the centermost judge gets to decide the scope of the ruling.  Is it a sweeping ruling or a very narrow one.

Consider RKBA cases.  A sweeping change would kill the NFA.  A narrow one is 'you can't ban all guns in an area'.

I don't think Hobby Lobby was sued by an employee.  They filed suit against .gov, specifically HHS.

Bingo.  It's the federal government that said healthcare plans must include birth control, and as an aside most health 'insurance' companies are more than willing to make BC 'free' because it's cheaper than the other options.  Babies are expensive.

[brimic]

Babies are expensive.

So is beer. I want taxpayers to pay for my raging beer habit. I have a right to free recreational beer consumption, and someone else should pay for it. $50 worth of the drug per week should cover it. Whahhh!

[BlueStarLizzard]

I also got into a battle over this on FB. Entertaining but loads of stupid.

Although I just realized... Why does insurance cover these anyway? Everytime I ever went to the doctor and was told to take stuff that was avalible over the counter I never got a prescription for it.
Planned Parenthood had it for $34 and all I had to do was show i.d. and sign a piece of paper. It was less a hassle then getting pseudoephedrine.

[KD5NRH]

So is beer. I want taxpayers to pay for my raging beer habit.

Hookers are expensive too.  What good are free condoms if they won't pay for someone to use them with?