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I also find it hilarious that they want to charge this kid with child porn for taking a pic of himself. And yet, want to try him as an ADULT


"we're gonna call you an adult to charge you, with an offense that we have to call you a child to charge you with"

Par for the course.  Just assume every bureaucracy (to include LEO orgs) has jettisoned their original reason for being and now has as its objective survival, growth, and the aggrandizement of its power.  One of the ways that is done is a thoroughly jesuitical and self-serving reading of law and regulation.  Consistency is not necessary.
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Girl is 15, boy is under 18. Legal.
http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/ofhs/prevention/dsvp/varapelaws/laws_rape.html

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A close in age exception to the Virginia legal age of consent allows teenagers aged 15, 16 and 17 to engage in sexual acts, but only with a partner younger than 18. Consensual sex where one partner is 15, 16 or 17 and the other is over 18 is a class 1 misdemeanor.
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However, taking pics of naughty bits of a minor is illegal, regardless of age.

Yep, and as you said will get you charged as an adult.
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I also find it hilarious that they want to charge this kid with child porn for taking a pic of himself. And yet, want to try him as an ADULT

"we're gonna call you an adult to charge you, with an offense that we have to call you a child to charge you with"
"It's illegal because you're a child, but we're charging you for doing it as an adult . . . but if you really were an adult, it wouldn't be illegal."

There's just something really odd bizarre insane about charging someone as an adult for something that is only illegal (selfie kiddie porn) because he isn't an adult.

And . . . I know there's precedent for certain invasive medical procedures to be done with a warrant - as in blood draws for suspected drunk drivers - but is there actual precedent for search warrants to involuntarily inject people with drugs? (Paging Dr. Mengele . . . )

I don't think they'd want me on the jury . . .
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"It's illegal because you're a child, but we're charging you for doing it as an adult . . . but if you really were an adult, it wouldn't be illegal."

There's just something really odd bizarre insane about charging someone as an adult for something that is only illegal (selfie kiddie porn) because he isn't an adult.

And . . . I know there's precedent for certain invasive medical procedures to be done with a warrant - as in blood draws for suspected drunk drivers - but is there actual precedent for search warrants to involuntarily inject people with drugs? (Paging Dr. Mengele . . . )

I don't think they'd want me on the jury . . .

A nurse on arfcom claims to have seen it done before on an (adult) child molester. No idea if it's credible, but given that NM issued a warrant to essentially repeatedly anally rape a guy I don't find it hard to believe.
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No idea if it's credible, but given that NM issued a warrant to essentially repeatedly anally rape a guy I don't find it hard to believe.

I guess I missed that one. Synopsis?

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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2014, 04:17:32 AM »
The willy line up by picture is old hat. The erectile injection is new to me
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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The article says the girl in this case sent photos of herself.  I don't know if they are naughty or not, but have you noticed they never seem to charge a girl with creating porn when she does the same thing?
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Once upon a time I was involved with a case in which a juvenile male was charged with sexual offenses against a young child.  After the young child testified, the defense attorney made a motion to have the court (me) examine the boy's genitals to see if reality matched what the victim described (she alleged he had scarring that made his genitals...unique).  When I was done spewing coffee and screaming no, she filed a motion to have the boy photographed by my bailiff for the same purpose, which got a big Hell No! from me, my Judge, and the Court of Appeals. 

Sexting is a huge problem, especially among teens.  It is far too common.  I'm actually in trial now (boring hearing).  I'll write more about sexting when I can.
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Once upon a time I was involved with a case in which a juvenile male was charged with sexual offenses against a young child.  After the young child testified, the defense attorney made a motion to have the court (me) examine the boy's genitals to see if reality matched what the victim described (she alleged he had scarring that made his genitals...unique).  When I was done spewing coffee and screaming no, she filed a motion to have the boy photographed by my bailiff for the same purpose, which got a big Hell No! from me, my Judge, and the Court of Appeals.  

Sexting is a huge problem, especially among teens.  It is far too common.  I'm actually in trial now (boring hearing).  I'll write more about sexting when I can.
Where do you get off applying decency and common sense in a legal proceeding?
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Where do you get off applying decency and common sense in a legal proceeding?

Just a rebel that way...
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Dude!You're actually presiding over something,RIGHT NOW,and you're reading APS?

That's hilarious!I'm appalled and amused at the same time.
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All four pages?!?!?!?!

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=41942.0

Ah, okay. I remember that thread. The description above made the "repeatedly anally raping a guy" sounded like something else.

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Sexting is a huge problem, especially among teens.  It is far too common.  I'm actually in trial now (boring hearing).  I'll write more about sexting when I can.

I'm not convinced it is.  A problem, that is. I'm sure it happens frequently.  Naughty Polaroids of teens have existed since polaroids.  There's probably naughty cave drawings somewhere.  Obviously sharing them is easier now, and that can lead to unitentional audiances.  So they can be a mistake.  I don't think they should be a crime.

Honestly, given the age difference between the age of consent in most places, and the age of puberty (and the accosiated hormones)  I think the adults (imposing unrealistic chastity expectations) are the problem here.

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Dude!You're actually presiding over something,RIGHT NOW,and you're reading APS?

That's hilarious!I'm appalled and amused at the same time.

Not as evil as it sounds.  Boring matter to supplement record.  I have to be here for objections only, as it is only adding information for appeal purposes.
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Dude!You're actually presiding over something,RIGHT NOW,and you're reading APS?

He needs something to occupy his hands while he's trying to quit the pump.

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On a break.  It's a hearing where the attorneys are supplementing the record with additional information necessary for the appeal due to evidentiary rulings during the trial.  It's called a proffer, so the Court of Appeals can evaluate how things might have happened if the judge had not excluded the evidence that's now being put on record.  Basically, I sit here, rule on any objections that might come up, but don't have to pay any attention at all to the merits of what's being presented.  Boring as all get out, which is why this crap rolled downhill and on to me.

On the sexting issue, I didn't mean that the sexting is a big criminal issue, but rather the act is causing lots of problems.  Teens email these photos of their junk and whatever, and those photos are then out there.  Where it becomes a problem for me (law-wise) is all of the after effects.  Reproducing the photos and videos, then distributing them.  Assaults based on what is in the photos/videos, who has them, who saw them, who commented on them, etc.  Thefts of devices in efforts to remove the images from distribution, including a burglary.  Telecommunication harassment relating to the images.  And, one suicide I know of based on comments relating to images that got distributed.  I don't get the willingness to spread images the way teens do, but I'm now 45 so I'm probably out of touch, so to speak, with respect to this.
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The article says the girl in this case sent photos of herself.  I don't know if they are naughty or not, but have you noticed they never seem to charge a girl with creating porn when she does the same thing?
Sure they do.  We've talked about it such cases on APS.

Edit: For example - http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=17406.0
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I'm not convinced it is.  A problem, that is. I'm sure it happens frequently.  Naughty Polaroids of teens have existed since polaroids.  There's probably naughty cave drawings somewhere.  Obviously sharing them is easier now, and that can lead to unitentional audiances.  So they can be a mistake.  I don't think they should be a crime.

Honestly, given the age difference between the age of consent in most places, and the age of puberty (and the accosiated hormones)  I think the adults (imposing unrealistic chastity expectations) are the problem here.

On a break.  It's a hearing where the attorneys are supplementing the record with additional information necessary for the appeal due to evidentiary rulings during the trial.  It's called a proffer, so the Court of Appeals can evaluate how things might have happened if the judge had not excluded the evidence that's now being put on record.  Basically, I sit here, rule on any objections that might come up, but don't have to pay any attention at all to the merits of what's being presented.  Boring as all get out, which is why this crap rolled downhill and on to me.

On the sexting issue, I didn't mean that the sexting is a big criminal issue, but rather the act is causing lots of problems.  Teens email these photos of their junk and whatever, and those photos are then out there.  Where it becomes a problem for me (law-wise) is all of the after effects.  Reproducing the photos and videos, then distributing them.  Assaults based on what is in the photos/videos, who has them, who saw them, who commented on them, etc.  Thefts of devices in efforts to remove the images from distribution, including a burglary.  Telecommunication harassment relating to the images.  And, one suicide I know of based on comments relating to images that got distributed.  I don't get the willingness to spread images the way teens do, but I'm now 45 so I'm probably out of touch, so to speak, with respect to this.

I'm with dogmush on this.  And Chris' remarks reinforce it.  If nudity, nude pictures, even sex in general, wasn't such a taboo, there wouldn't be all these repercussions from a simple photo.  In fact, there would probably be a lot less photos if seeing someone naked was not such a big deal.  Our culture needs to grow up, get over bewbs, balls, and butts, and get on with the more important things in life.
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Once upon a time I was involved with a case in which a juvenile male was charged with sexual offenses against a young child.  After the young child testified, the defense attorney made a motion to have the court (me) examine the boy's genitals to see if reality matched what the victim described (she alleged he had scarring that made his genitals...unique).  When I was done spewing coffee and screaming no, she filed a motion to have the boy photographed by my bailiff for the same purpose, which got a big Hell No! from me, my Judge, and the Court of Appeals. 

Sexting is a huge problem, especially among teens.  It is far too common.  I'm actually in trial now (boring hearing).  I'll write more about sexting when I can.

Huh, interesting case. I assume a doctor's examination (if the kid wanted it to prove his innocence) would be the way to go with that.
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