Texas deploying 1000 troops to the border

[brimic]

Mexico is not exactly polite and welcoming of non-Mexican illegal immigrants. Care to imagine if we DID clamp down on the border, and you ended up with tens of thousands of illegals sitting right at the border? Mexico is already in the middle of a medium scale civil war.

Mexico certainly seems to welcome them in just fine at their southern border. Close our border and make Mexico's problem into Mexico's problem.

[dogmush]

Second off, I sincerely doubt Gov Perry has the stones to actually deal with the problem. Pandering to his base? Absolutely. Which means lots of faces and camera time at the border looking very serious. If the Texas NG on a state mission essentially starts a war with Mexico, it could have extremely serious consequences. Any serious actions at border security run this risk. Mexico is not exactly polite and welcoming of non-Mexican illegal immigrants. Care to imagine if we DID clamp down on the border, and you ended up with tens of thousands of illegals sitting right at the border? Mexico is already in the middle of a medium scale civil war.

This.  No gov wants to start a war unilaterally.  (even Texas govs don't do that). This will be TV face time and soldiers, but no real teeth.

About the most effective thing Perry could do is order the NG to set up minefields and wire about 100yds this side of the border.  Order the troops no to return fire while setting up the obstacles.  Then set up with troops and cameras on ourside and snipe anyone that crosses the border with a weapon.  let the "imigrants" sit in the desert between the border and the obstacles.

Anyone here think most Americans are ready to watch people starve in the desert on CNN?

[Ron]

Regardless, if the cartels and Mexican government want to see Joe Sixpack get engaged in the subject of border security I can't think of a better way for that to happen than for them to fire upon a very public presence of US Military on the border. Both of those parties know that and will make sure they rein in their guys.

The press can bury the occasional spat involving border patrol agents. Ignoring US Military personal being fired upon at our own border will nigh be impossible.

I suspect that where there is National Guard troops there will be no gunfire. If i am wrong the next public discussion becomes rules of engagement and that probably won't go the way Mexico and the cartels would prefer.

[brimic]

Regardless, if the cartels and Mexican government want to see Joe Sixpack get engaged in the subject of border security I can't think of a better way for that to happen than for them to fire upon a very public presence of US Military on the border. Both of those parties know that and will make sure they rein in their guys.

The press can bury the occasional spat involving border patrol agents. Ignoring US Military personal being fired upon at our own border will nigh be impossible.

I suspect that where there is National Guard troops there will be no gunfire. If i am wrong the next public discussion becomes rules of engagement and that probably won't go the way Mexico and the cartels would prefer.

If there is any firing on our troops, it will only lead to orders to back down from higher levels.
Remember, this is the administration that sold weapons directly to the cartels in order to undermine our citizen's rights. Obama will not allow Texas to hamper the cartels' free reign over the border nor will he allow the slowdown or stoppage of illegals crossing the border.

[RevDisk]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/14/night-time-on-border-endless-wave-illegal-immigrants-floods-rio-grande-valley/

Bloody hell. 30k per month in the Rio Grande Valley Sector alone? And they're essentially being resettled throughout the US?

Seriously, this will get ugly.

[brimic]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/14/night-time-on-border-endless-wave-illegal-immigrants-floods-rio-grande-valley/

Bloody hell. 30k per month in the Rio Grande Valley Sector alone? And they're essentially being resettled throughout the US?

Seriously, this will get ugly.

All according to plan.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-26/new-york-to-issue-id-cards-for-undocumented-immigrants.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/16/us-usa-immigration-seattle-idUSKBN0FL2MW20140716

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/16/us-usa-new-york-votingrights-idUSKBN0ER2KU20140616

[Balog]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/14/night-time-on-border-endless-wave-illegal-immigrants-floods-rio-grande-valley/

Bloody hell. 30k per month in the Rio Grande Valley Sector alone? And they're essentially being resettled throughout the US?

Seriously, this will get ugly.

It's like reverse Russification. Instead of a conquering army displacing the native population, the fed.gov is bringing in an invasion to displace their own native population.

[onions!]

It's the Chinese into Tibet.

[RocketMan]

The NG has been deployed to the border before.  Didn't do any good then because it wasn't supposed to.  Won't do any good now because it isn't supposed to this time, either.
Not worth debating.

[230RN]

<smirk> And the Channel 2 Denver lead news tonight is some owner of some local sports team is "stepping down."

They've been yakking about that for 9 minutes so far and they're still at it.  Turned the sound off right after they started, but they've still got images of some kind of sports field and other people.

7:10 PM: Some guy is holding up some kind of shiny trophy.

7:13 PM: They broke away to a commercial.  I guess that's that, and they'll talk about lesser news items now.

Ooops, I was wrong.  They're back at it at 7:17 PM.

I'm turning the TV off.

Say, what were all those horse's heads they were showing through all that?

Terry

[Hawkmoon]

I still have no idea what CBP is planning to do with the flood of minor illegals. I'm not sure if they're legally allowed to just dump them at the border.

They claim they aren't allowed to do that. I don't believe them, I think it's more of the Obama administration's creative extrapolations from the law. If it is true that they can't deport them without a hearing, then get on the stick and hold hearings. Meanwhile, house the kids in old prisons, with adequate but minimal rations and no perks. After all, they ARE criminals. They are not entitled to luxury housing, they are not entitled to free clothing, they are not entitled to education, they are not entitled to cell phones or computer games, they are not entitled to surrogate families. What they ARE entitled to is a one-way ticket back to wherever they came from.

[KD5NRH]

They claim they aren't allowed to do that. I don't believe them, I think it's more of the Obama administration's creative extrapolations from the law. If it is true that they can't deport them without a hearing, then get on the stick and hold hearings.

Yup.  Pick any handful of the crap traffic offenses, (expired registration, etc.) and pardon all of them that are pending.  Boy, that just freed up some courts' time to handle a more pressing issue.  Line them up, march them through, and load them on a boat.  Surely something large and uncomfortable needs a shakedown cruise along Central and South America after refits.

[brimic]

Time to build a fricken fence already. SHeesh.

[Waitone]

When I heard Perry was sending NG to the border I thought, "Well some just lifted a finger.  Not really sure what good it will do".  Then I heard that Perry just made an announcement and that it would take 30 to 45 days before boots made it to the ground.  Pathetic.

[Brad Johnson]

  Pathetic.

Procedure, actually.  Orders have to be cut, people contacted, logistics emplaced, materiel  and supplies transported... none of which happens overnight.

Brad

[Ron]

Procedure, actually.

Brad

If the situation were truly viewed as serious they could be down there in less than a quarter of the time I bet, maybe even faster.

Too bad, I actually thought something positive was happening. Just more theater and posturing. 

[Brad Johnson]

Never dealt with event planning or logistics, I take it.

Brad

[Ron]

Never dealt with event planning or logistics, I take it.

Brad

So there aren't plans on mobilizing troops to the border already sitting in a file someplace ready to be implemented?

That timescale would have been appropriate back when the administration was first warned about the coming flood of illegals.

This should have been used as a good excuse to practice rapid deployment to potential hot spots on our border. Surely there is a plan on how to do that isn't there?  

Beginning to look like inconsequential theater designed to pull one over on the low information anti illegal immigrant crowd.

[Brad Johnson]

It's painfully obvious you aren't familiar with the sheer magnitude of military mobilization logistics.  And these are Guard troops, not standing army.  30-45 days is actually pretty damned impressive for a force that size.  If they'd said 90 days I would not have been surprised.

Brad

[Ron]

It's painfully obvious you aren't familiar with the sheer magnitude of military mobilization logistics.  And these are Guard troops, not standing army.  30-45 days is actually pretty damned impressive for a force that size.  If they'd said 90 days I would not have been surprised.

Brad

Well I hope you are correct and that they actually have an impact when they finally get there.

I'm less optimistic than I initially was when the news first came out.

[Brad Johnson]

Well I hope ... that they actually have an impact when they finally get there.

Me too, brother. Me too.

Brad

[Waitone]

I will give Perry benefit of the doubt that contingency plans are in a 3 ring binder.  I will also grant the actual implementation will take time reaching into multiple weeks.  Furthermore I will assume Perry and his team war gamed the federales' counter move and that accounts for letting the problem go for a couple of months before taking "action".  Assuming the foregoing is true simply keeping his mouth shut until action becomes visible seems to be advisable.  Then again, I am more concerned with results and not playing media games.

[230RN]

It's painfully obvious you aren't familiar with the sheer magnitude of military mobilization logistics.  And these are Guard troops, not standing army.  30-45 days is actually pretty damned impressive for a force that size.  If they'd said 90 days I would not have been surprised.

Brad

So how come the NG can be on-scene right away in the case of natural disasters and the like?

[Fitz]

So how come the NG can be on-scene right away in the case of natural disasters and the like?

Yeah, this...

Unless TX is abnormally bad at mobilizing forces for State Missions, 30-45 days is unacceptable. We had a brigade out to areas all over VA during the nasty storm and power outage aftermath. Vehicles, supplies, helicopters, the works. In less than 2 days.



I'm calling BS on it taking that long to get them there.

[brimic]

It's painfully obvious you aren't familiar with the sheer magnitude of military mobilization logistics.  And these are Guard troops, not standing army.  30-45 days is actually pretty damned impressive for a force that size.  If they'd said 90 days I would not have been surprised.

Brad

Bullshit.
How long did it take for tens of thousands of people from several different third world countries to coalesce into an invasion force? Or are you simply trying to make the point the the texas national guard is wildly ineffective at stopping foreign invasions?