Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!

[onions!]

Well, it locked up one browser, and another browser said it was a phishing attack 

Your browsers are choking on dog hair.The linky worked for me too.

[Tallpine]

Your browsers are choking on dog hair.The linky worked for me too.

Tried it again and was finally able to read it, but thirty minutes later it was still downloading *expletive deleted*it.

[Jim147]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=2&referrer=

I thought he was shot in the back running away with his hands up?

jim

[roo_ster]

Justice for Michael Brown



(See?  He's got his hands up.)

[Perd Hapley]

Sigh: more shenanigans this morning, it seems.

"Remember that business we were planning to open in Ferguson, like, ever?"

[wmenorr67]

"Independent" autopsy report released says he was shot at least 6 times, 2 of which were in the head and none appeared to be from close range.

Also the National Guard has been ordered in since last night.  Going to get real interesting now.

[vaskidmark]

"Independent" autopsy report released says he was shot at least 6 times, 2 of which were in the head and none appeared to be from close range.

Also the National Guard has been ordered in since last night.  Going to get real interesting now.

4 shots hit him in the arm, and 1 "on the top of the head, possibly indicating he was falling forward."  Nothing on where  the 6th shot went.

Several years ago Force Science Institute did detailed research to try and explain why suspects that cops swore were facing them ended up being shot in the back.  They came up with a logical, repeatable explanation based on the time it takes for the body to respond to a decision to stop pulling the trigger and how fast a subject can turn.  IIRC several cops have been exonerated, based on that research, of charges of shooting a suspect in the back.

So the National Guard has arrived.  I hope they have spent the previous week practicing their civil disturbance control drills.  My big question - will they get hickory sticks or is some genius going to try to have them intimidate a crowd with M-4s with sheathed bayonnets attached? (Can you stick a bayonet on the end of an M-4?)  Can you actually do a vertical butt stroke with an M-4 that does not break off the collapsable stock?

(For the MLK, Jr. memorial festivities we had M-14s and some supply sergeant (may he never run out of cold beer) found long-style M-1 bayonets for us to stick on the end.   Also, for the curious, we had a full magazine in the magazine pouch and not even Baby Jeebus would have been able to save the Marine that locked and loaded without an actual written order, to him by name, rank, and serial number, firmly in hand.)

stay safe.

[Perd Hapley]

4 shots hit him in the arm, and 1 "on the top of the head, possibly indicating he was falling forward."  Nothing on where  the 6th shot went.

Several years ago Force Science Institute did detailed research to try and explain why suspects that cops swore were facing them ended up being shot in the back.  They came up with a logical, repeatable explanation based on the time it takes for the body to respond to a decision to stop pulling the trigger and how fast a subject can turn.  IIRC several cops have been exonerated, based on that research, of charges of shooting a suspect in the back.

The fancy M.E. brought in by the family has said that all shots went into the front. And the 6th shot was right in the eyeball.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

So then they are calling their sons friend a liar?


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[Ben]

Interesting. I saw the head shot described as "possibly bent forward", which can be a completely different context than "falling" over, depending on if there are any powder burns.

Not sure if the Highway Patrol captain is helping or hurting:

Earlier in the day, Johnson said he had met members of Brown's family and the experience "brought tears to my eyes and shame to my heart."
"When this is over," he told the crowd, "I'm going to go in my son's room. My black son, who wears his pants sagging, who wears his hat cocked to the side, got tattoos on his arms, but that's my baby."
Johnson added: "We all need to thank the Browns for Michael. Because Michael's going to make it better for our sons to be better black men."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/18/private-autopsy-on-michael-brown-reveals-that-was-shot-six-times-report-says/

[Hawkmoon]

Interesting. I saw the head shot described as "possibly bent forward", which can be a completely different context than "falling" over, depending on if there are any powder burns.

Especially if, as apparently confirmed by the accidental recording of witness statements, Brown was bum rushing the officer. Brown was a big, hulking guy, so if the officer was small and Brown was rushing him it's very likely that Brown's head would have been down rather than looking at the birds overhead.

[KD5NRH]

I'm only armchair quarterbacking, but I think looting is exactly when you go in and break some heads. I've never understood the concept of "letting them do it so they can blow off steam". It's a disgusting behavior that requires a strong response - regardless of the circumstances surrounding it.

Exactly; letting them get away with it just leads to them seeing how far they can push the limit.

[KD5NRH]

Police are not issued binos.  They are "forced" to use what they have.

$30 at WalMart.  Less than the cost of a good evening at the bar.  (Or in the patrol car, depending on the department.)

[vaskidmark]

MO Lt. Gov. was on Fox News, ripping the Gov. several new ones over the responses (and lack of responses) to date.

Are the Lt. Gov. and Gov. of different political parties?

Is the Lt. Gov. gearing up for a race against a more-favored-in-the-polls opponent in the next election for the Gov. slot?

Very strange to hear the #2 guy tearing into/tearing down the #1 guy.

stay safe.

[vaskidmark]

$30 at WalMart.  Less than the cost of a good evening at the bar.  (Or in the patrol car, depending on the department.)

Citizens get all bent out of shape when they hear that teachers have to buy their own classroom supplies.  But you are suggesting that the cops go out and buy their own equipment?

Or are you suggesting that they cut a few purchase orders and then get ripped for not opening up competitive bidding, or for "wasting" the taxpayers' dollars on cheap stuff that's not even made in the USA?

My previous comment on this was made to note the reality of the situation, not to open discusion of what could be if somebody (anybody) was actually thinking ahead.  But I do appreciate yur opening up the dialog; now we can discuss all the you-may-only-need-this-once-in-a-lifetime stuff that the police do/do not saddle their officers with.

stay safe.

[AJ Dual]

Especially if, as apparently confirmed by the accidental recording of witness statements, Brown was bum rushing the officer. Brown was a big, hulking guy, so if the officer was small and Brown was rushing him it's very likely that Brown's head would have been down rather than looking at the birds overhead.

Considering that the White House and Holder/DOJ were directly pressuring to try and stop the release of the convenience store footage that shows a lot of information that's not so good for the SJW/Protestor/Rioter side of this, that Brown was GINORMOUS, and VIOLENT, one handedly throttling and pushing the clerk over as he left the store...

It's kind of a waste of time to go over stuff like the autopsy report or the new eye-witness recordings, unless we're interested in comforting ourselves. It won't change a thing.

Brown could have been on live TV, with a black child held hostage, and been shot by a black police officer, and if the "community" wanted to get upset over it, protest/riot/loot, they would have.

[KD5NRH]

Citizens get all bent out of shape when they hear that teachers have to buy their own classroom supplies.

 

We get bent out of shape when the students are forced to provide a good percentage of the teachers' supplies. 

But you are suggesting that the cops go out and buy their own equipment?

Mechanics are often expected to provide their own tools.  I suppose we could do it like the teachers, and require the convicts to buy the cops' supplies.

"Upon conviction, you will be required to provide two boxes of snot rags, 63 sharpened #2 pencils, and a pair of binoculars as a condition of admission to the jail."

[Ben]

"Upon conviction, you will be required to provide two boxes of snot rags, 63 sharpened #2 pencils, and a pair of binoculars as a condition of admission to the jail."

We already have massive problems with asset forfeiture laws. The last thing I want to see is an incentive to arrest people for misdemeanors to get free stuff. It would be like a law enforcement EBT.

[Balog]

Considering that the White House and Holder/DOJ were directly pressuring to try and stop the release of the convenience store footage that shows a lot of information that's not so good for the SJW/Protestor/Rioter side of this, that Brown was GINORMOUS, and VIOLENT, one handedly throttling and pushing the clerk over as he left the store...

It's kind of a waste of time to go over stuff like the autopsy report or the new eye-witness recordings, unless we're interested in comforting ourselves. It won't change a thing.

Brown could have been on live TV, with a black child held hostage, and been shot by a black police officer, and if the "community" wanted to get upset over it, protest/riot/loot, they would have.

I haven't seen this, do you have a link?

Also, there were reports that sopme of the cops had SAWs. Anyone seen pictures of that, and can link?

[Tallpine]

If Obama had a son, he would be a 6-6 300# drug crazed thieving maniac 

[Ben]

I haven't seen this, do you have a link?

Also, there were reports that sopme of the cops had SAWs. Anyone seen pictures of that, and can link?

I'm not AJ, but this story is breaking:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/18/youtube-video-captures-purported-witness-backing-police-version-in-ferguson/

[KD5NRH]

We already have massive problems with asset forfeiture laws. The last thing I want to see is an incentive to arrest people for misdemeanors to get free stuff. It would be like a law enforcement EBT.

They already have that, in the guise of "traffic enforcement."

[Ben]

They already have that, in the guise of "traffic enforcement."

This is true.

[Balog]

I'm not AJ, but this story is breaking:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/18/youtube-video-captures-purported-witness-backing-police-version-in-ferguson/

And all the people who immediately discounted all eye witness testimony tending to exonerate Brown immediately accept this as gospel truth.  

Also, good analysis as usual from the folks at Popehat.

http://www.popehat.com/2014/08/17/lawsplainer-how-mike-browns-alleged-robbery-of-a-liquor-store-matters-and-how-it-doesnt/

[Ben]

And all the people who immediately discounted all eye witness testimony tending to exonerate Brown immediately accept this as gospel truth.  

Also, good analysis as usual from the folks at Popehat.

http://www.popehat.com/2014/08/17/lawsplainer-how-mike-browns-alleged-robbery-of-a-liquor-store-matters-and-how-it-doesnt/

Hey, I just posted a link, not my opinion.

I haven't seen anyone accept it "as gospel truth", just as more possible information and another possibility. There's plenty of other evidence emerging to show this might not be what it was originally reported as. I was leaning towards "bad shoot" the first day. Not so much now.