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So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« on: August 21, 2014, 07:43:30 PM »
What with all the flapping around about militarization of local law enforcement (hardly a new topic on this forum) I was interested in a database release by the federales giving some idea of who is buying what conveniently indexed by state and county.

Article front page  http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/database-shows-what-military-equipment-your-local-police-department-has-been-stockpiling_08192014

Search the database  http://www.shtfplan.com/militarization-by-county-via-the-law-enforcement-support-office?appSession=484118466975748&cbSearchAgain=true&AppKey=36701000b255adcfe6ca4b13a8a4

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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2014, 07:48:39 PM »
Some pistols and rifles from 2006.
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2014, 08:00:08 PM »
My county has gotten two MRAPS, one helo, an armored truck, 31 sets of NVGs, IR LTDs, and 9 pages of other stuff.

Because what LEO doesn't need to drop PGMs on target?

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The county we are considering moving to has gotten 10 rifles since 2006.
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2014, 08:07:40 PM »
Rifles, safety glasses and what sounds like an APC.  If you saw the roads around here a tracked vehicle makes sense!

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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2014, 08:15:05 PM »
My county bought a couple dozen rifles,almost a hundred sights,a truck,and long johns.

My folks county bought gardening equipment,tractors,musical instruments,and more gun sights.And long johns.It IS Michigan after all.

I'm surprised by the quantities for some things.ex.Cold weather boots,only a dozen pairs,do the cops share boots at shift change?  =)
I'd have thought that they'd have bought dozens-or at least enough to cover the department.

I'm too lazy to look myself but I was wondering how much stuff the fire departments also acquired.It makes at least as much sense to me for the FD to get access to surplus.

Thanks for the link.
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2014, 08:27:12 PM »
County I'm in got a rock climbing wall, NVGs, medical stuff, some bayonets, "ladder, tactical assault", cuppa two tree grenade launches, 886 rifles and various other and assorted miscellany. County I'm planning on moving two in the next 6 months got 95 rifles and a "truck, utility".

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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2014, 09:10:34 PM »
County I'm in got a rock climbing wall, NVGs, medical stuff, some bayonets, "ladder, tactical assault", cuppa two tree grenade launches, 886 rifles and various other and assorted miscellany. County I'm planning on moving two in the next 6 months got 95 rifles and a "truck, utility".

WTF do they need bayonets for?   ???

Mine got a bunch of rifles and sights. 
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2014, 09:19:06 PM »
WTF do they need bayonets for?   ???


Mine did too.Makes me wonder,espescially with the quantities listed,just how much of the oddball stuff didn't get re-sold,or at least diverted,to specific persons/collecters in the departments.
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2014, 09:19:57 PM »
WTF do they need bayonets for?   ???

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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2014, 09:54:27 PM »
Eighteen pages of stuff, including it looks like assault packs for every badge in the county, and around 100 flightsuits, which they need with the half dozen helos. Several "combat vehicles", a page worth of .45ACP pistols (doesn't say what kind), several pages of 5.56 rifles (doesn't say what kind), and a periscope.

Oops, read it wrong. One of the helos is apparently a fixed wing and valued at 6.5million. Or maybe not. It's listed as "aircraft, rotary", which I always read as "helicopter", but the helos are listed under "Helicopter".

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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2014, 10:10:46 PM »
Hmm

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Some batteries and chargers
Radios
Ten 5.56 rifles, guessing AR/M16
Four 7.62 rifles, doesn't say what exactly
Tents and doodads and tires
Tractor
7 utility trucks, doesn't say what exactly
And a...gray wheeled housekeeping cart. Wonder if it's a tacticool gray wheeled housekeeping cart
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2014, 10:19:45 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2014, 10:23:35 PM »
That's the Chariot of Oppression!



Or an assault wheelbarrow in disguise!
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2014, 10:24:31 PM »
Missoula county is not too bad, 1 page of rifles and a few radios.  No tanks or B-52's.

Cascade county where I grew up has a little more:
.45 pistols (assuming 1911's)
5 38 caliber revolvers
4 sets of thermal viewers
M16's I assume
And a bunch of M14's I'm assuming by the 7.62 rifles

However, there were a whole lot of rifles - like almost 3 pages worth between 5.56 and 7.62.
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2014, 10:28:45 PM »
Nothing but rifles for my county.
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2014, 10:34:05 PM »
My county got a dozen of -RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER.
That wouldn't even arm every mounted deputy.
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2014, 10:37:10 PM »
I'm too lazy to look myself but I was wondering how much stuff the fire departments also acquired.It makes at least as much sense to me for the FD to get access to surplus.

We've gotten a couple 6x6 trucks from NG/army, just for the shipping costs. :)

Also there was a FEMA grant for some turnout gear a few years ago.  It was pretty much a waste IMO for a bunch of old guys/gals on a mostly wildland VFD.  Technically the coats and pants have hung on the wall so long that they already "should be" replaced.  I think that we've actually used the stuff on a couple of mutual aid structure fires.
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2014, 10:40:00 PM »
Three "DOOR,VEHICULAR", and one "TRUCK,UTILITY" (which I'm guessing is what the doors were for).

Anyway, I think I saw the truck once at the scene of a vehicle accident. Looked like something that would make Gecko45 drool, but didn't really seem all that useful overall.  ;/
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2014, 10:51:53 PM »
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I'm too lazy to look myself but I was wondering how much stuff the fire departments also acquired.It makes at least as much sense to me for the FD to get access to surplus.

A lot of the 1033 program stuff just isn't that useful for us firefighters, outside of some oddball stuff like thermal imaging cameras. Even if it's "free" we still have to store it and all that, and we had more than enough free crap to store.

Now my dept could definitely have used NVGs but that would have been for SAR. Plus I believe a lot of NVGs available through this program are junk, so it'd be something like acquiring a bunch of them and trying to find a useful one or three and if it's possible, have some others rebuilt (I guess TNVC could do something like that)

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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2014, 11:05:33 PM »
My county got a bunch of computers and monitors a few pistols, a page of rifles, a MRAP, an armored truck and some kind of $50,000 utility truck.

The database is not complete. I checked the county across the highway and they don't list the Humvee I know they received and I still have the newspaper article about it around here somewhere.

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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2014, 11:08:04 PM »
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they don't list the Humvee I know they received and I still have the newspaper article about it around here somewhere.

They may have sent it back after realizing what a POS it is.

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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2014, 12:14:25 AM »
StL County got 3 pages worth. Didn't read it all yet, but I noticed a few items described as "CPU No Hard Drive." I didn't know they were building the HDD right onto the die, now.  ;/
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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2014, 12:16:59 AM »
Not bad here.  A helicopter, flight trainer; a helicopter and a few 5.56 & 7.62 rifles, barely enough to arm the local PD (in a town of 1,300).

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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2014, 01:55:51 AM »
They may have sent it back after realizing what a POS it is.



I'll look tomorrow when I have a job to do a block away from the Sheriff's office. They used to have it parked right out front all the time.

The reason I remember the newspaper article is the headline. Sheriff gets a Hummer.   :rofl:

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Re: So How Militarized is your Police Agency
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2014, 02:31:12 AM »
Looking at AK - boots, lots and lots of cold weather boots.  More cold weather jackets and other stuff.  A few cold weather type vehicles.

11 radar scattering screening systems, but those also work well as sun shades/shelters.

A popcorn machine.  Not sure how tactical it is.  A bit of exercise equipment and an EOD robot.

15 5.56 rifles for my county alone, lots for the state.  though without the NSN I can't tell if it's M-16, M-4, or what.  Probably M16s. 

Nothing for me to get excited about.  I'm not going to deny our officers a 'patrol rifle', especially if they can get a used but still good rifle from uncle sam for free.