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Scottish independence a possibility
« on: September 07, 2014, 11:43:49 AM »
The nationalists are enjoying a near parity in polling. Could the Union be on its way out?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scottish-independence-poll-puts-yes-in-lead-1-3533686
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2014, 12:00:43 PM »
Time to buy stock in Claymores and blue face paint?
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2014, 12:42:27 PM »
Time to buy stock in Claymores and blue face paint?
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2014, 01:13:39 PM »
Time to buy stock in Claymores and blue face paint?

Brace yourself, here come a bunch of stupid Mel Gibson as William Wallace meme pictures.
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2014, 01:27:18 PM »
And haggis!  Don't fergit the haggis!!!

People don;t "stock up" on haggis.  Haggis is "inflicted upon" them in volume.
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2014, 02:26:44 PM »
People don;t "stock up" on haggis.  Haggis is "inflicted upon" them in volume.

I wish someone would inflict haggis upon me.  I love the stuff.

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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2014, 02:55:57 PM »
I wish someone would inflict haggis upon me.  I love the stuff.

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Haggis is the bomb, even the version allowed in the US. There used to be a great Scottish restaurant in your neck of the woods that an ex girlfriend would always take me to. I can't for the life of me remember exactly where, but we'd take whatever metro color went past the Pentagon and then dead-ended, then we'd walk about a half mile. The old Scottish guy that owned it did the full kilt getup and everything. Small place, but excellent haggis, and everything else.
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2014, 03:41:57 PM »
Obviously, I'm opposed to independence. Nationalists, of course, are necessarily racists, and secession is always racist, so...
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2014, 04:46:35 PM »
The whole process has been a bit of a farce from the beginning (an English family member of mine is eligible to vote because of his temporary residence in Edinburgh, none of the eight or nine Scots I know are because they live in London), so it wouldnt really be a surprise if Salmond wins and then has to oversee living conditions for those north of the border go a long way downhill in a very short space of time - but they will all keep their British passports, as well as the pound. 
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2014, 05:29:11 PM »
Haggis is the bomb, even the version allowed in the US. There used to be a great Scottish restaurant in your neck of the woods that an ex girlfriend would always take me to. I can't for the life of me remember exactly where, but we'd take whatever metro color went past the Pentagon and then dead-ended, then we'd walk about a half mile. The old Scottish guy that owned it did the full kilt getup and everything. Small place, but excellent haggis, and everything else.

I think I know of which one you're talking about, but I've never been there.

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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2014, 06:46:55 PM »
I would think next Thursday would be a better day for a vote.

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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2014, 06:50:55 PM »
According to my coworker (a recent Scottish immigrant) he says its unlikely.  Polls go one way, voting another.

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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2014, 10:55:30 AM »
The sun never sets on all the places the British Empire has been thrown out of.

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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2014, 01:19:34 PM »
The sun never sets on all the places the British Empire has been thrown out of.

True.
Of course, the sun never sets on the United States or its territories right now.
(And like  a few months of the year doesn't set on the 50 states either)

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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2014, 02:33:21 PM »
NATO seems to be concerned about it.   Apparently Faslane is where Trident subs are serviced and the Scottish Nationalist party wants Scotland to be Nuke free.

But they want to be Nuke Free members of NATO.  F' em; no nukes, no nuclear protection.
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2014, 06:00:30 PM »
NATO seems to be concerned about it.   Apparently Faslane is where Trident subs are serviced and the Scottish Nationalist party wants Scotland to be Nuke free.

But they want to be Nuke Free members of NATO.  F' em; no nukes, no nuclear protection.

I'm sure there's a suitable English port somewhere that wouldn't mind the extra business...
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2014, 12:31:57 PM »
Sadly, I doubt it will pass, or work if it did.

I fear that all the "Freedom!" Scots have left long ago ...  =|
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2014, 12:35:08 PM »
Sadly, I doubt it will pass, or work if it did.

I fear that all the "Freedom!" Scots have left long ago ...  =|

True enough. It seems Europe experienced more than just a brain drain in the last couple of centuries.
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2014, 11:33:19 AM »
Sadly, I doubt it will pass, or work if it did.

I fear that all the "Freedom!" Scots have left long ago ...  =|

They never existed.
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2014, 11:38:15 AM »
They never existed.

They became the Scots-Irish people that immigrated to the US.  The Scots-Irish people of the US are where we get our pervasive "you ain't the boss of me" mentality.

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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2014, 11:49:36 AM »
They became the Scots-Irish people that immigrated to the US.  The Scots-Irish people of the US are where we get our pervasive "you ain't the boss of me" mentality.

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They never existed.

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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2014, 12:58:19 PM »
They became the Scots-Irish people that immigrated to the US.  The Scots-Irish people of the US are where we get our pervasive "you ain't the boss of me" mentality.

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I think that is a clear case of projection - its very hard to find any evidence of the Scots fighting for independence once James IV became the King of England; most of the revolts were over who was ruling England or the UK (as in the campaigns in the 17th century, and the 1715 and '45).  The Irish on the other hand had a few goes at it, but even there its questionable whether "freedom" was more of a goal than just getting rid of the English and their religious discrimination.

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Like Mtnbkr said, they colonized Ireland then the United States, getting as far as Arkansas and texas

My ancestors killed a lot of Indians and Redcoats

So not that freedom-loving, then. 

 
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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2014, 01:50:36 PM »
I think that is a clear case of projection - its very hard to find any evidence of the Scots fighting for independence once James IV became the King of England; most of the revolts were over who was ruling England or the UK (as in the campaigns in the 17th century, and the 1715 and '45).  The Irish on the other hand had a few goes at it, but even there its questionable whether "freedom" was more of a goal than just getting rid of the English and their religious discrimination.

I don't know what those people were like before leaving Britain, but they were certainly interested in living a life not being told what to do by others by the time they hit America.

Maybe not "freedom loving" in the vein of wanting everyone to have their own nation, but certainly very much interested in not being told what to do by others.  Whether or not that's "freedom loving" depends on your point of view (and whether or not you're being told to eff off or telling someone to eff off).

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Like Mtnbkr said, they colonized Ireland then the United States, getting as far as Arkansas and texas

My ancestors killed a lot of Indians and Redcoats

So not that freedom-loving, then. 

Not so much the Indian killing, that's plain ol' murder, but certainly killing Redcoats in the late 1700s counts as freedom-loving. Again, depends on if you're being told to eff off or are doing the telling. :)

My ancestors were likely mixing with Indians (based on family movements up till the early 20th century) when they weren't killing Redcoats (if they did the latter at all, our records back that far are hazy).

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Re: Scottish independence a possibility
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2014, 02:52:14 PM »
I think that is a clear case of projection - its very hard to find any evidence of the Scots fighting for independence once James IV became the King of England; most of the revolts were over who was ruling England or the UK (as in the campaigns in the 17th century, and the 1715 and '45).  The Irish on the other hand had a few goes at it, but even there its questionable whether "freedom" was more of a goal than just getting rid of the English and their religious discrimination.

So not that freedom-loving, then. 

 

Given how the Irish gov't loves it some EU domination, I would say that the Irish don't mind being dominated and ruled by foreign bastards.  What they minded was being dominated by English bastards.

We may get to see if the Scots are made of similar domitable stuff.


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