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Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« on: November 03, 2014, 06:04:58 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/03/opinion/cancel-the-midterms.html?_r=0

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The main impact of the midterm election in the modern era has been to weaken the president, the only government official (other than the powerless vice president) elected by the entire nation.
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The realities of the modern election cycle are that we spend almost two years selecting a president with a well-developed agenda, but then, less than two years after the inauguration, the midterm election cripples that same president’s ability to advance that agenda.

Funny how they say they want to end mid-term elections, but keep giving reasons why they are totally awesome. Almost as curious as the timing of this doggerel.
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2014, 06:09:35 PM »
I doubt they felt this way in 2006.

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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2014, 06:44:14 PM »
All the negatives about midterms boil down to this:

The peoples representatives derail and gum up the "visionary" leaders ability to impose his will on an unwilling populace  :laugh:

 
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2014, 06:53:42 PM »
Canceling elections is one of the few things I can envision that would move things right along from "ballot box" to "cartridge box" pretty damn quickly.

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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2014, 07:39:12 PM »
Well, heck - why don't we just elect the president for life, so he doesn't have to worry about those pesky voters crippling his ability to advance his agenda ???
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2014, 07:55:26 PM »
They could push for term limits and cancel elections for a lot a people after a couple of terms.
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2014, 08:02:31 PM »
Well, heck - why don't we just elect the president for life, so he doesn't have to worry about those pesky voters crippling his ability to advance his agenda ???
And we could even give him a special title, like "His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada Barack Hussein Obama, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British American Empire in Africa North America in General and Uganda The United States in Particular
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2014, 09:29:35 PM »
They could push for term limits and cancel elections for a lot a people after a couple of terms.

Heh. 

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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2014, 10:32:03 PM »
Obama's not out of office yet. Even with no tinfoil I think it is less than 100% that he leaves in Jan 2017.
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2014, 11:50:10 PM »
Obama's not out of office yet. Even with no tinfoil I think it is less than 100% that he leaves in Jan 2017.
Nah, he'll be gone.  Not that his replacement is likely to be any better, but he doesn't have the juice to make that play.

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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2014, 09:06:30 AM »
And we could even give him a special title, like "His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada Barack Hussein Obama, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British American Empire in Africa North America in General and Uganda The United States in Particular

He would need a uniform to go with that title- something with lots of medals on it.
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2014, 10:07:48 AM »
Nah, he'll be gone.  Not that his replacement is likely to be any better, but he doesn't have the juice to make that play.

All he needs is an appropriate "crisis"  =|
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2014, 10:11:28 AM »
Obama's not out of office yet. Even with no tinfoil I think it is less than 100% that he leaves in Jan 2017.

Nah, he'll be gone.  Not that his replacement is likely to be any better, but he doesn't have the juice to make that play.

All he needs is an appropriate "crisis"  =|

Canceling elections is one of the few things I can envision that would move things right along from "ballot box" to "cartridge box" pretty damn quickly.

I don't think that fool realizes just what he's asking for.

I think that if he even sniffed trying to keep "power" after the 2016 elections you will see the next Civil War/Revolutionary War.

Hell and as for the VP being elected, not so much.  How many times has it been the VP candidate being the reason a President was elected.  Usually the VP is the worst case scenario for either party.
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2014, 10:16:32 AM »
All he needs is an appropriate "crisis"  =|

Yeah. Can't go having everyone exposing themselves to (the threat of) Ebola at their polling places, now can we?

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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2014, 10:17:51 AM »
I'm not sure why any of this matters. The White House Press Secretary announced yesterday that this midterm, "is not a true national election." So hey, why even bother going out to vote, eh?
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2014, 11:04:38 AM »
I'm not sure why any of this matters. The White House Press Secretary announced yesterday that this midterm, "is not a true national election." So hey, why even bother going out to vote, eh?

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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2014, 12:51:57 PM »
Obama's not out of office yet. Even with no tinfoil I think it is less than 100% that he leaves in Jan 2017.

True, there is always that possibility that Velociraptors will develop time travel, come to Jan 2017 and begin the Dromaeosaurid Theropod Apocalypse. And the Secret Service decide to shelter in place rather than take Obama to an undisclosed location.


Aside from the DTA, no, it's a certainty. Bush's crew didn't have the stones for it and you think Obama's crew does? Seriously?
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2014, 01:40:56 PM »
True, there is always that possibility that Velociraptors will develop time travel, come to Jan 2017 and begin the Dromaeosaurid Theropod Apocalypse. And the Secret Service decide to shelter in place rather than take Obama to an undisclosed location.


Aside from the DTA, no, it's a certainty. Bush's crew didn't have the stones for it and you think Obama's crew does? Seriously?

Right tends to hamstring itself a bit more by believing in, or following the rules, and the Left has the stronger Alinsky tradition of "ends justify the means" type thinking.

I agree, neither was or is actually going to do it, but it's pretty clear the Left is much more ideologically and emotionally prepared to try it, even if it's just a few percentage points on the probability scale.
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2014, 01:46:49 PM »
True, there is always that possibility that Velociraptors will develop time travel, come to Jan 2017 and begin the Dromaeosaurid Theropod Apocalypse. And the Secret Service decide to shelter in place rather than take Obama to an undisclosed location.


Aside from the DTA, no, it's a certainty. Bush's crew didn't have the stones for it and you think Obama's crew does? Seriously?
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2014, 01:48:04 PM »
Right tends to hamstring itself a bit more by believing in, or following the rules, and the Left has the stronger Alinsky tradition of "ends justify the means" type thinking.

I agree, neither was or is actually going to do it, but it's pretty clear the Left is much more ideologically and emotionally prepared to try it, even if it's just a few percentage points on the probability scale.

Eventually, they will  =(
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2014, 01:50:53 PM »
Right tends to hamstring itself a bit more by believing in, or following the rules, and the Left has the stronger Alinsky tradition of "ends justify the means" type thinking.

I agree, neither was or is actually going to do it, but it's pretty clear the Left is much more ideologically and emotionally prepared to try it, even if it's just a few percentage points on the probability scale.

I agree. I think even the crappiest Republican administrations seemed to have a pretty strong respect for the election process and term limits and "following the rules". Progressives are much more liable to want to bend the rules or use legal tricks to get what they want. Example, when they all wanted to kill the electoral process because of Gore. Had things gone the other way, they would have been staunchly defending the Electoral process. While Republicans might still do shady stuff, philosophically, they are more inclined to follow the rules regarding elections. It seems like many, many more Democrats demand recounts than do Republicans.
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2014, 03:17:53 PM »
Right tends to hamstring itself a bit more by believing in, or following the rules, and the Left has the stronger Alinsky tradition of "ends justify the means" type thinking.

I agree, neither was or is actually going to do it, but it's pretty clear the Left is much more ideologically and emotionally prepared to try it, even if it's just a few percentage points on the probability scale.

Funny enough, the Left thinks exactly the same thing of the Right. They follow the rules, that the Right buys more politicians and are more likely to break the rules to get what they want.

Thinking about it, the Left is probably more correct, but not by much. Most recent "next thing to a coup" was LeMay during the Cuban missile crisis. Before that, Banker Plot against FDR. Neither was even close to a real coup. LeMay was probably unlawfully exceeding his authority and arguably trying to start a war, not drive tanks down Pennsylvania Avenue. Probably, it's hard to tell, the Joint Chiefs were insane at the time.


There are probably better crisis scenarios.  If that happened, I would foresee a lot of velociraptor BBQ parties before the problem went away. 

Off the top of my head, I see none that are more likely to cause a Obama to attempt to maintain power beyond his term. He doesn't have the military support for a military coup. I doubt it'll be some kind of civil or legal trick. I'm guessing you're thinking something along the lines of having the CIA drone strike whoever wins the election? While the CIA has done many stupid and treasonous things, that'd be a bit impressive even by their standards. It's not like VA police don't have MRAPs and other military equipment.
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2014, 07:01:16 PM »
I agree. I think even the crappiest Republican administrations seemed to have a pretty strong respect for the election process and term limits and "following the rules". Progressives are much more liable to want to bend the rules or use legal tricks to get what they want. Example, when they all wanted to kill the electoral process because of Gore. Had things gone the other way, they would have been staunchly defending the Electoral process. While Republicans might still do shady stuff, philosophically, they are more inclined to follow the rules regarding elections. It seems like many, many more Democrats demand recounts than do Republicans.


The Democrats get away with more stuff, because they still have the more influential media orgs shaping the narrative. Not to mention other institutional advantages. Republican policritters aren't more honest, just less connected.
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Re: Statists want to cancel mid-terms
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2014, 08:01:03 PM »
Funny enough, the Left thinks exactly the same thing of the Right. They follow the rules, that the Right buys more politicians and are more likely to break the rules to get what they want.


As usual, the Left is wrong.

Neither party is pure as driven snow of course,  but of major federal corruption convictions,  Democrats win in a 60/40 landslide.

AND in terms of "being bought",  of organized donors,  say top 100, sorted by money,  the top 1/3rd to top 1/4 of the list is all Democrat money,  unions,  trial lawyers and PAC's etc then a smattering of industries and .orgs that divide their donations roughly 50/50, before you get down to the first predominantly Republican only donors, the Koch bros. etc.

As to the abortive coup attempts, under FDR? Practically laudable, considering the extra-constitutional activities and attempted court packing to get a rubber stamp on them.

Granted, it's moral equivalency between a murderer and a thief, but any sane person picks the thief. Going all the way back to the roots of slavery and trason, it takes some stones to make any attempt to claim the GOP is more corrupt by any measure with a straight face.

And I say this as a Libertarian who despises both parties to one degree or another, for a variety of reasons.

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