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Two out of three ain't bad.
« on: January 14, 2015, 09:26:37 AM »
I do so love a happy ending. I don't like that the cops took the clerks gun, chances are the dead guys had friends.

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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2015, 10:03:11 AM »
I need more information.  It states that the police recovered the gun but not that they "took" it.  Even so they may have to hold on to it as evidence until whatever trial comes of this.  No big deal at this time.  Now if the store clerk doesn't get it back after a reasonable amount of time after the trial then there is a problem.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2015, 10:10:05 AM »
The fact they came back is a bad sign
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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2015, 10:16:05 AM »
The clerk's handgun was probably retained by the investigators, but I believe that is SOP in most places. When I took my CCW class a while back I was told that I should be prepared to lose custody of any handgun used in a shooting until the investigation is complete (this was said to discourage us from carrying custom fancy pieces).
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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2015, 10:17:12 AM »
Yeah, they probably have to hold the gun for an investigation.
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I don't like that the cops took the clerks gun, chances are the dead guys had friends.
Hopefully the clerk has another gun.
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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2015, 10:21:07 AM »
Quote from: Jocassee on January 14, 2015, 10:16:05 AM
The clerk's handgun was probably retained by the investigators, but I believe that is SOP in most places. When I took my CCW class a while back I was told that I should be prepared to lose custody of any handgun used in a shooting until the investigation is complete (this was said to discourage us from carrying custom fancy pieces).

Yep.  Needs to be taken and held as evidence.  Why?  Need to run ballistics to show who shot who.  Generally, also need to hold it until the bad guys have been tried or plead out.  Why?  There are a bunch of arguments that the defense can try regarding the firearms.  While in some instances, a photo may serve as evidence, given the severity of the charges here (likely a felony murder charge), the guns are the best evidence.

And, just to be clear, the same rules apply to officer involved shootings where charges are filed.
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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2015, 10:24:15 AM »
Quote from: Jocassee on January 14, 2015, 10:16:05 AM
The clerk's handgun was probably retained by the investigators, but I believe that is SOP in most places. When I took my CCW class a while back I was told that I should be prepared to lose custody of any handgun used in a shooting until the investigation is complete (this was said to discourage us from carrying custom fancy pieces).

It's important physical evidence AGAINST the perpetrators in court. Proving the slugs in them came from the gun the victim used to shoot them etc.  So even if the police and the D.A. are all 100% "Atta boy!" over your defensive gun use, you're still going to lose your gun to an evidence locker for a few months/years, unless the bad guys plead really quickly.  
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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2015, 10:29:02 AM »
Quote from: Jocassee on January 14, 2015, 10:16:05 AM
The clerk's handgun was probably retained by the investigators, but I believe that is SOP in most places. When I took my CCW class a while back I was told that I should be prepared to lose custody of any handgun used in a shooting until the investigation is complete (this was said to discourage us from carrying custom fancy pieces).

This is why I know a guy who never buys a single carry gun; always two identical ones at a time.
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2015, 10:29:19 AM »
Great argument for tactical tupperware, if you lose a gun, buy another exactly like it and continue on without missing a beat.
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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2015, 10:29:26 AM »
Quote from: Jocassee on January 14, 2015, 10:16:05 AM
The clerk's handgun was probably retained by the investigators, but I believe that is SOP in most places. When I took my CCW class a while back I was told that I should be prepared to lose custody of any handgun used in a shooting until the investigation is complete (this was said to discourage us from carrying custom fancy pieces).

I subscribe to this philosophy. A Colt M1991A1 Compact is mechanically identical to a Mark IV Officers ACP. I choose to carry the M1991A1 because I would hate to see a Mark IV Officers ACP after a year in an evidence locker.
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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2015, 10:44:28 AM »
Quote from: brimic on January 14, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
Great argument for tactical tupperware, if you lose a gun, buy another exactly like it and continue on without missing a beat.

Except in California, each 'allowed' gun is listed on the permit by make and serial number. And, we are limited to a max of five.

So, I guess you could just qualify and list multiple similar guns, but I like to have a variety on mine for different situations.

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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2015, 10:54:50 AM »
Quote from: brimic on January 14, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
Great argument for tactical tupperware, if you lose a gun, buy another exactly like it and continue on without missing a beat.

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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2015, 11:23:33 AM »
I'd still rather fight with my best gun in hand, even if it means I'm going to lose it after.  A life and death struggle is no time to worry about a few dollars worth of custom hardware.

Count your lucky stars if the worst financial blow after your shooting is the value of your gun.
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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2015, 01:36:16 PM »
Had a gun stolen from me back in 90-91 time from in Colorado Springs.  Was returned to me 94ish.  Detective stated it had been in their possession, Aurora, CO, for sometime waiting for the trial to be completed.  All that was wrong with it when returned was that the sights were jacked up.
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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2015, 02:05:45 PM »
Quote from: Headless Thompson Gunner on January 14, 2015, 11:23:33 AM
I'd still rather fight with my best gun in hand, even if it means I'm going to lose it after.  A life and death struggle is no time to worry about a few dollars worth of custom hardware.

Count your lucky stars if the worst financial blow after your shooting is the value of your gun.

Exactly how I feel. People always ask why I carry my Ted Yost 10mm all of the time, it is for the reasons you listed. It is my best gun, most reliable, hardest hitting and by far the most accurate. If I am going to have to use a gun, I want it to be one I am absolutely confident will work every time, and work well.

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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2015, 02:18:38 PM »
Quote from: Sawdust on January 14, 2015, 10:44:28 AM
Except in California, each 'allowed' gun is listed on the permit by make and serial number. And, we are limited to a max of five.

So, I guess you could just qualify and list multiple similar guns, but I like to have a variety on mine for different situations.

Sawdust

I don't know how you California people do it.  I'd almost rather see that place abandoned by anyone with any inkling of being somewhat more free.
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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2015, 04:24:31 PM »
Quote from: lee n. field on January 14, 2015, 10:54:50 AM
Being emotionally attached to your Glock is like being emotionally attached to your toaster.

I guess if your toaster has reshaped grips, a trigger job and night sights that's not hard to understand!   [popcorn]

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Re: Two out of three ain't bad.
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2015, 05:10:50 PM »
Quote from: BobR on January 14, 2015, 02:05:45 PM
Exactly how I feel. People always ask why I carry my Ted Yost 10mm all of the time, it is for the reasons you listed. It is my best gun, most reliable, hardest hitting and by far the most accurate. If I am going to have to use a gun, I want it to be one I am absolutely confident will work every time, and work well.

bob


I concur with this sentiment. Besides, which gun do you want to be with you all day? The really awesome one, right?

Of course, if your bone-stock-Glock fits the above criteria, then by all means carry that.
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