Pope on Charlie Hebdo: There are limits to free expression

[De Selby]

Marxism constitutes a specific set of historicist beliefs about the nature of classes, the economy, etc. (Totally wrong beliefs that have led to the death of dozens of millions.)

It's easily arguable, that the pope's argument that society needs to be rearranged provides - though perhaps unwittingly - backing to creatures like Chavez, Maduro, and other thugs around the globe.

Chavez, Madura, and other Latin American thugs who come from politics parties that have battled the Catholic Church for decades?  Yeah, pretty hard to argue when the Church has been one of the staunchest opponents of communism in the third world for the entire 20th century.

[MicroBalrog]

Please explain to me what rearranging society on line of social equality means if not redistributory socialism.

[brimic]

Chavez, Madura, and other Latin American thugs who come from politics parties that have battled the Catholic Church for decades?  Yeah, pretty hard to argue when the Church has been one of the staunchest opponents of communism in the third world for the entire 20th century.

Different century, different Pope.
Oh, you forgot Castro Raul or Fidel or whoever is in charge yet....

[De Selby]

Please explain to me what rearranging society on line of social equality means if not redistributory socialism.

There are a multitude of options for an economy that recognises obligations between people without being redistributionary socialism.  Feudalism is the obvious example.  Contract regulation (a feature of every single free market system with anything approaching finance) is another, as is corporate governance.

Having an economy where for example a contract of employment cannot be breached except for cause, and relying on the tort system to resolve disputes, would align very well with what the pope is saying and is not redistributionary.

Not every form of regulation or customary law is socialism.

[MicroBalrog]

"“Inequality is the root of social ills ... as long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world’s problems or, for that matter, to any problems.""

Radically rejecting the autonomy of markets and attacking inequality by using the state is in fact socialism. It's in fact almost the definition of what socialism is all about.

[Scout26]

I guess I missed the part where Jesus said "Let's go get the Romans to take money and stuff from the wealthy to give to the poor."

I thought he re-affirmed the 10 Commandments.  So wouldn't nos. 8 and 10 still apply?

[Hawkmoon]

I was really liking this pope, but some of his statements in the past week or ten days have me reevaluating my opinion of him.

There's this one. And then it very much seems that he has imbibed liberally of the  Global Warming/ Climate Change/ Planetary Destruction Kool-Aid.

He should just stick to "We should all be nice to each other."

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

They churches socialist tilt is the more amusing considering the first thing they do in the revolution us kill teachers and priests


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