Another doctor thinks vaccines cause mental diseases

[charby]

Snohomish County is experiencing a literal epidemic of pertussis because filthy hippies don't get their kids vaccinated and it spreads to kids too young to get the vaccine.

Yep, I hope it gets contained, it can be quite the killer.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

We need some of the vaxxers kids dying. And one of them to go postal on drs mercola and oz. maybe jenny mcarthy  


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[Fitz]

Hate to say it, but that's the only way that this stupid fuckign movement will die

[charby]

We need some of the vaxxers kids dying. And one of them to go postal on rds mercola and oz.

No, we don't. We just need to find some way to  educate them on why it is important to vaccinate and how their interpretation of the risks are ill founded.

[zxcvbob]

No, we don't. We just need to find some way to  educate them on why it is important to vaccinate and how their interpretation of the risks are ill founded.

I agree with you.  But I don't think it's going to be possible without a tragedy.  Too much of some people's whole identity is wrapped up in this.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

And these are not so much low info voters as false info voters. They have heros and prophets. Folks who went to med school. It's gonna take funerals and more than one to make folks wake up . Look at the folks they have tip toeing round. Rand Paul Christie etc .


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[Sergeant Bob]

Pertussis is bad enough they have changed the protocol to allow pregnant women to get it so the kids carry some of that immunity till they can get their own shots
Much of the vaxxer movement is about selling supplements ala doc oz and doc mercola

And typically the vaxxer is also likely to be a truther or a birther or a chemtrailer
Sometimes all of the above


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I'm liking it!

[Sergeant Bob]

We need some of the vaxxers kids dying. And one of them to go postal on drs mercola and oz. maybe jenny mcarthy  


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People put way too much stock in "Dr" Oz! he is just as likely to spout anti vaccination rhetoric as "truth" as real science as anyone else! That said, he is right on this one!

[roo_ster]

It took fear of death from disease to get folk to start using vaccines.  Especially the first ones like Cowpox vs Smallpox. 

Lack of fear of death from disease is at the heart of the current anti-vaxxers, IMO.  It will take some first-hand knowledge to change their minds.

[Balog]

The real true believers will just blame big pharma for infecting their precious bodily fluids in the case of a pandemic with heavy mortality. But it will hopefully put some sense into the generic crunchy mom who's caught up in the stupid.

[Scout26]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/14/measles-outbreak-spreads-unvaccinated-woman-disneyland


And there was a virus (stomach IIRC) tat ran rampant through the Staples Center in LA back in November.  

Robert's school had an oubreak of a stomach flu last year that had over 80% of the kids out of school for at least 2 days.  They even closed it on a Monday so they could spend the weekend throughly cleaning it.


Herd immunity.  What has pulled us out from the ages when most people died before they hit puberty.

[Scout26]

[Ron]

That's nice Scout, you going to champion that type of ass hat doctor when he rants about the dangers of having a gun in your home, that he will reject you as a patient marking you down in the government required electronic records as a gun owner because you refuse to submit to his authority?

[Perd Hapley]

Not that I'm anti-vax, but that guy sounds like a real class act. I fully support his right to turn away patients, and even have an awful bedside manner. Calling CPS for vax really crosses a line, though. Oughta be an ethics violation.

[Scout26]

That's nice Scout, you going to champion that type of ass hat doctor when he rants about the dangers of having a gun in your home, that he will reject you as a patient marking you down in the government required electronic records as a gun owner because you refuse to submit to his authority?

There's a huge difference between refusing a patient that refuses to vaccinate and one that will reject you as a patient because you have a gun in the home (which they could only find out about from you telling him.)  Last I checked, you could fire your doctor(s) at anytime, for any or no reason.

Me having a gun in my home does not have any potential adverse effects up any of his other patients in his waiting room.  Me not being vaccinated does have potential adverse effects on his other patients as he clearly stated.

Finally, isn't the the free market at work.  The Libertarian ideal.  To freely associate and make or not make a market with whomever you choose ?  He chooses not to treat those who don't vaccinate or want a "spaced-out" schedule.   Unless you are advocating that he be forced to treat anyone and everyone, regardless...


There are very, very ,very few things I think the .gov should enforce.  Public Health/Sanitation and Vaccinations against dangerous and deadly diseases are two of those. 

[Balog]

That's nice Scout, you going to champion that type of ass hat doctor when he rants about the dangers of having a gun in your home, that he will reject you as a patient marking you down in the government required electronic records as a gun owner because you refuse to submit to his authority?

Sitting next to a gun owner does not cause harm. Sitting next to a person with measles/pertussis/etc because they're unvaccinated does.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Sitting next to a gun owner does not cause harm. Sitting next to a person with measles/pertussis/etc because they're unvaccinated does.

Especially if you take it home to your infant child. It would be a shooting offense


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[Ron]

My point was that the good Doctor more than likely will cause the anti vaxxers to dig in and hold their ground even more.

I don't even disagree with him about vaccines but found myself wanting to oppose him just because of his condescending messaging.

I'd fire him as my doctor just for being a brash idiot.

[Balog]

My point was that the good Doctor more than likely will cause the anti vaxxers to dig in and hold their ground even more.

I don't even disagree with him about vaccines but found myself wanting to oppose him just because of his condescending messaging.

I'd fire him as my doctor just for being a brash idiot.

He's a pediatrician and you don't have kids, so I'm sure he'd be traumatized by your firing him.

When kids are too young to be vaccinated, they make a lot of trips to the pediatrician for routine stuff. Knowing that the doc is doing his best to try to keep my unvaccinated kids from being exposed to preventable diseases would endear him to my heart.

[Ron]

He's a pediatrician and you don't have kids, so I'm sure he'd be traumatized by your firing him.

LOL 

Actually the only reason I'm going to get the Pertussis inoculation is because of my contact with family and friends children.   

[brimic]

When kids are too young to be vaccinated, they make a lot of trips to the pediatrician for routine stuff. Knowing that the doc is doing his best to try to keep my unvaccinated kids from being exposed to preventable diseases would endear him to my heart.

+1

[MillCreek]

I would have to say that if I discovered one of my physicians was making a CPS referral based only upon refusal to vaccinate, the physician and I would have a short, unpleasant conversation and there would be no more such referrals from that physician for that reason.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Maybe. If it's the wrong physician you might end up in court . Not as counsel.


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[charby]

[Scout26]

Regarding the Doc that would report parents to CPS for refusing to vacinate, as he pointed out, it probably wouldn't do much more then assuage his feeling of having done something to try to save the child's life.  Highly doubtful that CPS would or even could do anything with it.

Again public health/saniation being one of the very, very, very few areas that .gov has busiess sticking its nose in. 

And what Balog said.  Keep in mind that if the only way to save my kid was to push you off a cliff, I would, without a moment's finch or hestitation.