Solicitor General: Churches could be pressured into condoning same-sex marriage

[Perd Hapley]

Our Solicitor General told the Supremes he would not rule out the possibility that churches, and other religious institutions, may lose tax-exempt status, if they won't violate their faith.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/04/28/could-religious-institutions-lose-tax-exempt-status-over-supreme-courts-gay-marriage-case/

That's a little odd. I thought that telling people "No" was one of those things religious groups were expected to do. 

[RoadKingLarry]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

The 1st amendment as recognized in modern times by liberals

[Ron]

But, but, I was assured by many, including some here, that there was no way that would happen if the courts redefined marriage to include same sex couples!

[lupinus]

But but, we were promised that would never happen!

Don't worry, it'll be clarified that we aren't. Just that to keep things as they are we can't "discriminate".

[lee n. field]

2. Media Coverage of Father Patrick Henry Reardon’s Refusal to Require or Sign Civil Marriage Liscenses – Terry Mattingly, 4/23/15

One guy (EO priest) who's just not going to sign them.  

http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/issuesetc.org/podcast/17790423152.mp3

direct link to audio

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Churches in Denmark and formerly Great Britain are being forced already


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[Angel Eyes]

Will the mosques be likewise pressured?














*crickets*

[lupinus]

Will the mosques be likewise pressured?














*crickets*

When pigs fly over Mecca

[lee n. field]

When pigs fly over Mecca

That can be arranged.

[roo_ster]

The Law Of Merited Impossibility
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-law-of-merited-impossibility/

The Law Of Merited Impossibility is an epistemological construct governing the paradoxical way overclass opinion makers frame the discourse about the clash between religious liberty and gay civil rights. It is best summed up by the phrase, “It’s a complete absurdity to believe that Christians will suffer a single thing from the expansion of gay rights, and boy, do they deserve what they’re going to get.”

It sure looks like the homosexualist lobby is making itself a domestic enemy of the COTUS.

[Angel Eyes]

When pigs fly over Mecca

Maybe not pigs.

How about a Warthog?

[lee n. field]

Maybe not pigs.

How about a Warthog?

I was thinking more of porcine kinetic impact. 

[lee n. field]

Our Solicitor General told the Supremes he would not rule out the possibility that churches, and other religious institutions, may lose tax-exempt status, if they won't violate their faith.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/04/28/could-religious-institutions-lose-tax-exempt-status-over-supreme-courts-gay-marriage-case/

That's a little odd. I thought that telling people "No" was one of those things religious groups were expected to do. 

It it just me, or does anyone else think the craziness has been accelerating sharply lately?

[MechAg94]

It it just me, or does anyone else think the craziness has been accelerating sharply lately?

I think part of the problem is no one is publicly slapping the craziness down.  

I heard a phrase recently:  Empowering the heckler's veto.

[Hawkmoon]

2. Media Coverage of Father Patrick Henry Reardon’s Refusal to Require or Sign Civil Marriage Liscenses – Terry Mattingly, 4/23/15

One guy (EO priest) who's just not going to sign them.  

Your link takes me to a page that says nothing, and has no links to an article that says something.

I'm already facing the prospect that I won't be able to renew my status as a justice of the peace next time around (which will be January of 2017). When I was sworn in in 2013 I asked about whether or not I am required to perform same-sex marriages and I was told "no." I now don't trust that answer. In fact, I may not wait until my term expires. If the state has changed it's position to require that JPs perform weddings that violate their conscience, I'll resign immediately.

[Perd Hapley]

Your link takes me to a page that says nothing, and has no links to an article that says something.

It looks like the link has been fixed, or at least it works for me. Issues Etc. has some great content, once you wade through all the infant baptism and "real presence" stuff.  ( to our Lutheran, inter alia, friends)

[wmenorr67]

Not withstanding anyone's beliefs why should anyone be forced to do anything that goes against their moral and/or religious beliefs.  There is always going to be at least one other person who will agree with whatever BS you want to believe or just doesn't care and will do your ceremony, bake your cake, take your pictures or supply any other service you want or need.

[Perd Hapley]

Not withstanding anyone's beliefs why should anyone be forced to do anything that goes against their moral and/or religious beliefs.  There is always going to be at least one other person who will agree with whatever BS you want to believe or just doesn't care and will do your ceremony, bake your cake, take your pictures or supply any other service you want or need.

Because then the icky conservatives wouldn't be diverse. They're going to tolerate us into being just as diverse as they are. A uniform diversity for all; no exceptions.

[lee n. field]

Your link takes me to a page that says nothing, and has no links to an article that says something.

I'm already facing the prospect that I won't be able to renew my status as a justice of the peace next time around (which will be January of 2017). When I was sworn in in 2013 I asked about whether or not I am required to perform same-sex marriages and I was told "no." I now don't trust that answer. In fact, I may not wait until my term expires. If the state has changed it's position to require that JPs perform weddings that violate their conscience, I'll resign immediately.

Edited to add a link direct to the audio.

[lee n. field]

Your link takes me to a page that says nothing, and has no links to an article that says something.

I'm already facing the prospect that I won't be able to renew my status as a justice of the peace next time around (which will be January of 2017). When I was sworn in in 2013 I asked about whether or not I am required to perform same-sex marriages and I was told "no." I now don't trust that answer. I

That's telling.  You recognize that the system is untrustworthy.

[Scout26]

Did Bill Clinton sign the Federal Religious Freedom Act?

So if a Church "leader" has to perform Gay Marriages, do the Imam's at Mosques have to perform a Jewish wedding if asked?   If they say "No" would that be the same discriminition ??

Just throwing that our there....

[MechAg94]

Did Bill Clinton sign the Federal Religious Freedom Act?

So if a Church "leader" has to perform Gay Marriages, do the Imam's at Mosques have to perform a Jewish wedding if asked?   If they say "No" would that be the same discriminition ??

Just throwing that our there....

You could ask, but liberals only want to push Christians or Jews around.  They never want to mess with others.

[grampster]

Apparently some believe the concept of the separation of church and state didn't mean what they said it meant, meaning that because the word church is first and state is 2nd, it really only means the church needs to stay out of the business of the state, but not the reverse.  Really!

[roo_ster]

You could ask, but liberals only want to push Christians or Jews around.  They never want to mess with others.

FTFY.

This sort of tool is used to beat on lower-case "o" orthodox Christians as a way to undermine the Christian majority and Western Civ.  Jews will get a pass, even upper-case "O" Orthodox Jewish institutions who are on the same page as lower-case "o" orthodox Christians.  We already know that the laws will not be applied objectively, but will be applied depending on who is the target.

[brimic]

So if you have groups of church denominations- at this point its pretty much a few lutheran synods, the Catholics (if they don't waver), and some independent Baptist churches- that refuse to marry gays, will they be raided by JBTs from the IRS or possibly DHS?
THAT will make life really interesting in the place formerly known as America.