Biker gang shootout in Waco

[Fitz]

The reason the CVMA and other non-1% clubs participate is so that they can fly their colors without hassle.  Try running an event without your state CoC recognizing your club and see what happens.

RKL you're right about the "large" presence of Bandidos in Oklahoma but the Outlaws run the state and the Mongols have a large presence also.

 

We didn't participate in VA... and the dominant clubs in the area STILL put out the standard "leave CVMA alone" word.

[wmenorr67]

They may not have actively participated but I would bet that there was a formal agreement somewhere at sometime to allow you to fly your colors.  Most CoC's don't have issues with the military clubs.  The only issues we had at first was from the Combat Vets and the American Veterans MC saying we would be stealing their members.  Once they were convinced that to be a member of our club you had to have served in the National Guard they were fine with that.

[Jamisjockey]

The reason the CVMA and other non-1% clubs participate is so that they can fly their colors without hassle.  Try running an event without your state CoC recognizing your club and see what happens.

RKL you're right about the "large" presence of Bandidos in Oklahoma but the Outlaws run the state and the Mongols have a large presence also.

 

So you're pretty much saying the CoC is an extortion racket?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Here's an article that did not seem to stink to me
http://heavy.com/news/2015/05/what-biker-gangs-were-involved-in-waco-texas-shootout-banditos-scimitars-cossacks-motorcycle-club-gang-shooting-victims-rivals-photos-video-gang-names/


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[wmenorr67]

So you're pretty much saying the CoC is an extortion racket?

In not so many words, but the main focus of the CoC in Oklahoma is to pose a unified front when it comes to opposing anti-motorcycle legislation and progressing the lifestyle.  Additionally they hope to prevent *expletive deleted*it like you saw in Waco.

[Perd Hapley]

What is it about motorcycles that attracts this kind of nonsense? I don't see Corvette owners riding around in gangs, having sartorial arguments, and shooting one another over issues of recruitment.

[gunsmith]

you have a lot more freedom on a bike than you do in a car, I learned to ride in CA where lane splitting is legal/common/
Do that in Florida and people act like you're eating babies 

You can not lane split in a car, you have the ability to do so much more on a bike than you do in car - the only thing that prevents you is "thinking" ...
When control freak lady is in the fast lane making sure to do exactly 5mph below the speed limit a car is often at her mercy - a bike is capable of easily going around her -

The freedom of bikes attracts non conformist - some of whom - like the fine gentlemen on this forum - will simply out maneuver control freak lady and go about our merry way - the criminal non conformist might take the opportunity to mete out some criminal justice to control freak lady if the opportunity arises   

[KD5NRH]

What is it about motorcycles that attracts this kind of nonsense? I don't see Corvette owners riding around in gangs, having sartorial arguments, and shooting one another over issues of recruitment.

BMW owners would, but it's hard to fight with a latte in one hand and a cell phone in the other while driving 80 with one knee on the wheel.

[charby]

What is it about motorcycles that attracts this kind of nonsense? I don't see Corvette owners riding around in gangs, having sartorial arguments, and shooting one another over issues of recruitment.

Blame the Greatest Generation:

Their origins start at the end of World War Two when some ex-servicemen returning from the war found their civilian lives boring. Small numbers formed groups and headed to the highways on high-powered motorbikes in search of adventure and excitement.

http://www.gangscene.co.nz/gangscene-new-zealand-motorcycle-gangs-omcg.html

[Scout26]

A former soldier of mine is heavily involved in the Iron Order MC.   I haven't done much research on them, but it would appear from his postings (and the fact that he's a currently serving Army Officer), that they just like to ride and drink.  Hopefully in that order.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

What is it about motorcycles that attracts this kind of nonsense? I don't see Corvette owners riding around in gangs, having sartorial arguments, and shooting one another over issues of recruitment.

I've always wondered this, too.  This stuff all seems weird to me.

[Fitz]

A former soldier of mine is heavily involved in the Iron Order MC.   I haven't done much research on them, but it would appear from his postings (and the fact that he's a currently serving Army Officer), that they just like to ride and drink.  Hopefully in that order.

The iron order are full of aholes and criminals. The only difference is, they often get away with being aholes and criminals because of their associations.

Most MCs, in my experience, are chock full of scumbags with *expletive deleted*ed up priorities, psychopaths, or wannabe tough guys.

I had a couple of f *expletive deleted*faces from some small 1% support club tell me to take my CVMA vest off once. I told them if they wanted it removed, they'd have to do it. They all talked a big game , but when it came down to it they chickened out.

Later they came at me with 10 guys instead of two. Suddenly they were much more bold.

They STILL didn't do *expletive deleted*it.


anyways, as charby mentioned, most early MCs had their genesis in post-WW2. Not sure when it transitioned into criminal activity...

[Balog]

What is it about motorcycles that attracts this kind of nonsense? I don't see Corvette owners riding around in gangs, having sartorial arguments, and shooting one another over issues of recruitment.

I've always wondered this, too.  This stuff all seems weird to me.

Most organized criminal gangs are based on some surface commonality. Could be race, could be physical location, could be a common lifestyle. MC's are based on the third option. It's all about tribalism, what denotes your "tribe" is largely irrelevant.

[Balog]

Some interesting gun choices among the popo.

[Balog]

[Balog]

Cops must be so excited to finally have an excuse to roll old Bertha here.

[wmenorr67]

It is my experience most of you 1% clubs will not harass your military clubs or the faith based clubs.  Now some of their support clubs might try but usually all it takes is for the 1% club to be notified that member(s) of their support clubs are being asshats they will put a stop to it one way or another.

IMHO as other walks of life in the biker community it boils down to respect.  Be smart and you shouldn't have any problems.  The only issues we have seen with our club is that some of our members fly the original 45th Inf Div patch, the Swastika, and some take offense to it.  Once it is explained what it is 99% of the people don't have a problem.

[41magsnub]

The iron order are full of aholes and criminals. The only difference is, they often get away with being aholes and criminals because of their associations.

Most MCs, in my experience, are chock full of scumbags with *expletive deleted*ed up priorities, psychopaths, or wannabe tough guys.

I had a couple of f *expletive deleted*faces from some small 1% support club tell me to take my CVMA vest off once. I told them if they wanted it removed, they'd have to do it. They all talked a big game , but when it came down to it they chickened out.

Later they came at me with 10 guys instead of two. Suddenly they were much more bold.

They STILL didn't do *expletive deleted*it.


anyways, as charby mentioned, most early MCs had their genesis in post-WW2. Not sure when it transitioned into criminal activity...

I bet this guy might have changed your tune!  

-the big guy, not Putin

[Balog]

Actual %1 OMC's are just another gang. No different than Crips/Bloods/La Raza/MS13 etc.

[Fitz]

I bet this guy might have changed your tune!  

-the big guy, not Putin

Putin is 5'7

making that guy built about the same as me.

[Jamisjockey]

Cops must be so excited to finally have an excuse to roll old Bertha here.

About the one in a million time it is even justified for them to use.

[Angel Eyes]

Actual %1 OMC's are just another gang. No different than Crips/Bloods/La Raza/MS13 etc.

From what I've read, the Mongols maintain affiliations with some street gangs in Southern California.  So yeah, no different.

[Boomhauer]

From what I've read, the Mongols maintain affiliations with some street gangs in Southern California.  So yeah, no different.

The OMCs are just smart enough to have better PR to generate public sympathy.

[Fitz]

The OMCs are just smart enough to have better PR to generate public sympathy.

This


"we do XYZ for the community"

Most MCs collect/raise a lot of funds for charities / injured riders.

For the OMCs, it's small potatoes compared to their illicit revenues.

[gunsmith]

its weird, I started riding and automatically felt camaraderie with other riders - its the same with gun ownership - especially if you're in a liberal anti gun enclave - persecuted minority I guess, looking out for each other ....
once I became a gun owner and got interested in ...say for instance - black rifles or .9mm versus .45acp and methods of concealed carry, tactics for open carry - it turned into a fraternity - because other gun owners understand - its like those silly people who felt the need to ask "why do you need more than one single shot .22LR"