Author Topic: How to use science to win arguments (Read 2923 times)

MillCreek · « **on:** May 21, 2015, 01:53:26 PM »

http://www.businessinsider.com/science-backed-tactics-to-win-argument-2015-3?op=1

I used many of these techniques in resolving malpractice cases. Medmal juries love experts, confidence, graphs/charts from the medical literature, consensus, and showing civility to opposing counsel and sympathy to the plaintiff.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 21, 2015, 03:40:38 PM »

I wonder if the "scientific consensus" angle is getting a bad reputation with the global warming stuff using it so much.

I don't know that this is using "science" so much as good persuasion techniques. I guess using the word "science" instead of persuasion is following his own advice.

AJ Dual · « **Reply #2 on:** May 21, 2015, 04:08:22 PM »

Venn Diagrams are the best.

vaskidmark · « **Reply #3 on:** May 21, 2015, 04:50:30 PM »

Quote from: AJ Dual on May 21, 2015, 04:08:22 PM

Venn Diagrams are the best.

It's not that I am always right. It's that I am less wrong than you significantly more of the time.

stay safe.

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #4 on:** May 21, 2015, 05:22:52 PM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on May 21, 2015, 03:40:38 PM

I wonder if the "scientific consensus" angle is getting a bad reputation with the global warming stuff using it so much.

What they REALLY hate is when you inform them the "97% of scientist" mantra is an intentional misquote. When quoted in its entirety the source material paints a dramatically different picture. Like about sixty percent less.

Brad

MillCreek · « **Reply #5 on:** May 21, 2015, 05:31:14 PM »

Quote from: vaskidmark on May 21, 2015, 04:50:30 PM

It's not that I am always right. It's that I am less wrong than you significantly more of the time.

stay safe.

I am going to have to use that one on the spousal unit. Wish me luck!

MechAg94 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 21, 2015, 06:12:04 PM »

Quote from: Brad Johnson on May 21, 2015, 05:22:52 PM

What they REALLY hate is when you inform them the "97% of scientist" mantra is an intentional misquote. When quoted in its entirety the source material paints a dramatically different picture. Like about sixty percent less.

Brad

Consensus and facts/figures always fall apart when the person trying to use them is a liar.

grampster · « **Reply #7 on:** May 22, 2015, 11:22:50 PM »

My wife often tells me that other folks believe the opinions they hold to be correct as much as I know mine are. I always have to remind her that there is one critical difference....I am right and they are wrong.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #8 on:** May 24, 2015, 04:25:20 AM »

Quote from: grampster on May 22, 2015, 11:22:50 PM

My wife often tells me that other folks believe the opinions they hold to be correct as much as I know mine are. I always have to remind her that there is one critical difference....I am right and they are wrong.

Does it works that way when she is the one you're disagreeing with

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #9 on:** May 25, 2015, 07:06:40 AM »

What usually happens with my wife is that she'll ask me how to do something, I'll give her a basic how-to, she'll do it completely different and screw up what she's doing beyond recovery (and possibly injure herself and me and damage surrounding items and/or destroy tools).

That is of course my fault.

Doggy Daddy · « **Reply #10 on:** May 25, 2015, 08:20:46 AM »

Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 25, 2015, 07:06:40 AM

What usually happens with my wife is that she'll ask me how to do something, I'll give her a basic how-to, she'll do it completely different and screw up what she's doing beyond recovery (and possibly injure herself and me and damage surrounding items and/or destroy tools).

That is of course my fault.

Sounds like the time I bought my wife her own tool set for household use. While I was at work, she decided the stand mixer needed a good internal cleaning. That thing had a metric Revload of gears! The whole "project" wound up being dumped in the trash, and she got a new mixer.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 25, 2015, 10:15:21 AM »

Quote from: Doggy Daddy on May 25, 2015, 08:20:46 AM

Sounds like the time I bought my wife her own tool set for household use. While I was at work, she decided the stand mixer needed a good internal cleaning. That thing had a metric Revload of gears! The whole "project" wound up being dumped in the trash, and she got a new mixer.

Sounds like she wanted a new mixer.

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #12 on:** May 25, 2015, 01:05:58 PM »

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Better yet, go for consensus.

"Scientists often use 'consensus' as the ultimate argument-winner, and for good reason," Jacquelyn Gill writes on Contemplative Mammoth. "Scientific consensus is the collected opinions of all scientists, and not just the one you're arguing with. There can be one or two scientists who disagree (just like there are a handful of people who don't believe the Holocaust happened), but if the vast majority of scientists have reached consensus, it means that there is so much evidence in support of an idea that it's basically a guaranteed thing, based on state-of-the-art knowledge."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/science-backed-tactics-to-win-argument-2015-3?op=1#ixzz3bAeNZEwk

Hmmm.

Like Global Warmingâ„¢ (a.k.a. Climate Changeâ„¢)? "Death to the heretics!"

KD5NRH · « **Reply #13 on:** May 25, 2015, 01:24:07 PM »

Quote from: Doggy Daddy on May 25, 2015, 08:20:46 AM

Sounds like the time I bought my wife her own tool set for household use. While I was at work, she decided the stand mixer needed a good internal cleaning.

Unfortunately, she was probably right. Quite a few small appliances, even when cleaned to anal retentive housewife standards, get disturbingly filthy inside over a year or two. IIRC, some of them had/have a gearbox that can be removed intact, then properly cleaned and relubed by whatever method.

Of course, now, the industry solution is to build them to wear out within a couple of years. OTOH, we're still using the electric carving knife grandma bought in the 1970s. I need to go fish her 1960s vintage can opener out of storage too, as I've gone through two "modern" electrics, four manual wheel-type ones, and my P-51 is starting to bend.

just Warren · « **Reply #14 on:** May 25, 2015, 02:42:46 PM »

I would have believed that article but it didn't use any graphs....

RevDisk · « **Reply #15 on:** May 25, 2015, 02:56:39 PM »

Quote from: Doggy Daddy on May 25, 2015, 08:20:46 AM

Sounds like the time I bought my wife her own tool set for household use. While I was at work, she decided the stand mixer needed a good internal cleaning. That thing had a metric Revload of gears! The whole "project" wound up being dumped in the trash, and she got a new mixer.

If it was a 1950's or 1960's mixer, I'll start crying. I'm actually looking for one to tear down and refinish. Properly maintained they will last. Painted and polished right, they are works of art. Also, out of the box, they are packed solid with grease. Very very Ewww after even a couple years of service.

If anyone has old school blender, lemme know. I'll offer reasonable price.

Calumus · « **Reply #16 on:** May 25, 2015, 09:58:09 PM »

Believe it or not, the higher end Kitchen Aid mixers are rebranded Hobarts. A buddy of mine serviced restaurant equipment for about 20 years, and taking care of those big mixers was a decent part of their business. There's a cosmetics company in NJ that's still using one that was built in the late 40's. Its mixing 20 gallon buckets at a time; but its the only thing that can do the job. If you want an older one as a project, watch craigslist for restaurants for sale, or business for sale. Often times you can pick out a piece of equipment.

Doggy Daddy · « **Reply #17 on:** May 25, 2015, 11:34:17 PM »

Yeah, I think she did want a new mixer. That was in the late '80s, early 90's. Gears were all over the place! So was the grease; lubricating and otherwise. Also, she likes tools, so she was probably very "in to the task". Wound up getting one of them Kitchenaids out of the deal. Still runnning to this day. She likes to bake.

Re: tools. She will happily take firearms or tools as gifts over baubles and jewelry.

Firethorn · « **Reply #18 on:** May 26, 2015, 03:44:28 PM »

I have a kitchenaid now, and I love it.

I stopped using the bread machine after buying it. Now I make bread the 'old' fashioned way using the oven. I get better bread and it's only a little more work than dumping everything into the machine.

More recently I've started to diversify - working out how to make good Italian bread.

AJ Dual · « **Reply #19 on:** May 26, 2015, 05:59:26 PM »

Well, the most important thing no matter what the argument is, and to use science is to have a hypothesis, a procedure, materials, results, a control, and a conclusion.

Oh, and a three paneled backboard.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 26, 2015, 10:39:20 PM »

I can't tell what the conclusion sheet says on that poster board. Is that a No or a Yes?

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #21 on:** May 26, 2015, 10:45:46 PM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on May 26, 2015, 10:39:20 PM

I can't tell what the conclusion sheet says on that poster board. Is that a No or a Yes?

A "No," obviously. When was the last time you saw any minorities in heaven?

MillCreek · « **Reply #22 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:21:42 PM »

I like how there is what appears to be a thermometer and a beaker by the poster board. That is how you know it is Real Science.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #23 on:** May 27, 2015, 12:14:33 AM »

Quote from: MillCreek on May 26, 2015, 11:21:42 PM

I like how there is what appears to be a thermometer and a beaker by the poster board. That is how you know it is Real Science.

And also Photoshop.

Scout26 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 27, 2015, 12:48:44 AM »

Was picture taken at Adolf Hitler Junior High or George Wallace Middle School?

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Author Topic: How to use science to win arguments (Read 2923 times)