House Republicans hand Obama everything he wants, yet again

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Please provide a link to the text of the current revision of the TPP that is being negotiated.

Now I know you're trolling.

[Balog]

Now I know you're trolling.

You said it's not secret. Apparently "not secret" doesn't mean the same thing to you that it does to me.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

I'll make you a deal, Skippy.  I'll post the text of TPP right after you post the contents of tomorrow's newspaper today.  I'll even split the lotto jackpot with you.

No deal?

You know the text of TPP hasn't been written yet.  It can't be posted because it doesn't exist yet.  They're still negotiating it.

Resorting to disingenuous arguments proves the weakness of your case.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Thats the most amazing part of the zomg. They either have just followed the infowars pieces or the genuinely are unaware what the legislation covers


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[tokugawa]

I'm with balog on this- my trust reserve is gone- it was skimpy to start with, but it is burned now. The ACA did that quite handily. If I understand correctly, the fast track also reduces  the treaty vote for approval in congress  from 2/3rds to a simple majority. Also the rumor is the treaty will give a lot of power to international organizations- even overriding State laws that are not in compliance. I have grave concerns about this turning into some excrement like the EU. Or worse. Sort of reminds me of the enabling act.   
 You folks saying , Oh, nothing can go wrong, it ain't that bad, it's rules as usual -go do two things- reflect on what this administration has done- check the scandal page members here have set up. Then go find a definition of "Polly Anna".
 Anyone who thinks this fascist government should have an ounce more power is nuts.
 And it IS power they are after. exactly who do you think you are dealing with here? 
 
 

[Balog]

I'll make you a deal, Skippy.  I'll post the text of TPP right after you post the contents of tomorrow's newspaper today.  I'll even split the lotto jackpot with you.

No deal?

You know the text of TPP hasn't been written yet.  It can't be posted because it doesn't exist yet.  They're still negotiating it.

Resorting to disingenuous arguments proves the weakness of your case.

One section of it has been leaked. I guess that part exists. What do they call it when the Feds have documents but won't reveal them to the public?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

When the actual agreement is released will be able to compare it to the park a week see how out there the source was and the legislation does change it to maturity of both houses as opposed to just two thirds of the senateI'm curious why are you so afraid of a straight up and down vote is their a special piece of pork you guys are trying to get through?

[tokugawa]

When the actual agreement is released will be able to compare it to the park a week see how out there the source was and the legislation does change it to maturity of both houses as opposed to just two thirds of the senateI'm curious why are you so afraid of a straight up and down vote is their a special piece of pork you guys are trying to get through?

 I will tell you why. Because with the simple majority change, it is going to be a piece of cake for the gov to ram through whatever they want. And because with no amendments allowed, it is going to reduce the give and take and discussion to a minimum, and allow much faster, no debate passage. The general public is going to get NO input.

   I repeat- If you think the Obama Administration is to be trusted, and that they have the best interests of this country at heart, you are nuts.
 
 LOOK AT THEIR RECORD! Look at how the ACA was passed. Have you forgotten already?

[Ron]

Don't worry, the Republicans would never sell us out 

[Balog]

The problem with TPA is the change to simple majority. Well, one of the problems.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

One section of it has been leaked. I guess that part exists. What do they call it when the Feds have documents but won't reveal them to the public?

You call it a work in progress, or unfinished, or incomplete.  But even the unfinished work has been available for congress to review, and the negotiators have briefed congress on its status many, many times.  So calling it "secret" is plainly dishonest.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

I'm with balog on this- my trust reserve is gone- it was skimpy to start with, but it is burned now. The ACA did that quite handily. If I understand correctly, the fast track also reduces  the treaty vote for approval in congress  from 2/3rds to a simple majority. Also the rumor is the treaty will give a lot of power to international organizations- even overriding State laws that are not in compliance. I have grave concerns about this turning into some excrement like the EU. Or worse. Sort of reminds me of the enabling act.   
 You folks saying , Oh, nothing can go wrong, it ain't that bad, it's rules as usual -go do two things- reflect on what this administration has done- check the scandal page members here have set up. Then go find a definition of "Polly Anna".
 Anyone who thinks this fascist government should have an ounce more power is nuts.
 And it IS power they are after. exactly who do you think you are dealing with here? 
 
 

The problem with TPA is the change to simple majority. Well, one of the problems.

Uh, wut?  Y'all understand that FTAs are not treaties and don't require a 2/3rd vote in the Senate like a treaty ratification requires, right?

 

Did any of you guys thinking "treaty" ever stop to ask yourselves why the House of Representatives is involved?  If it were a treaty ratification they wouldn't be.

[Balog]

You call it a work in progress, or unfinished, or incomplete.  But even the unfinished work has been available for congress to review, and the negotiators have briefed congress on its status many, many times.  So calling it "secret" is plainly dishonest.

Yeah, I wasn't talking about Congress getting briefed on it. Congress got briefed on all the wildly illegal things the NSA was doing too, but I'm going to go ahead and guess that you'd still call that secret. Your desperation to spin this is kind of amusing.

[brimic]

Is there anyone here that can explain to me how boehner and mcconnel are better than pelosi and reid?

[SADShooter]

Is there anyone here that can explain to me how boehner and mcconnel are better than pelosi and reid?

Um, they are less competent at procedural manipulation and caucus control, and thereby marginally less dangerous?

I got nothin' else.

[brimic]

I'm with balog on this- my trust reserve is gone- it was skimpy to start with, but it is burned now. The ACA did that quite handily. If I understand correctly, the fast track also reduces  the treaty vote for approval in congress  from 2/3rds to a simple majority. Also the rumor is the treaty will give a lot of power to international organizations- even overriding State laws that are not in compliance. I have grave concerns about this turning into some excrement like the EU. Or worse. Sort of reminds me of the enabling act.   
 You folks saying , Oh, nothing can go wrong, it ain't that bad, it's rules as usual -go do two things- reflect on what this administration has done- check the scandal page members here have set up. Then go find a definition of "Polly Anna".
 Anyone who thinks this fascist government should have an ounce more power is nuts.
 And it IS power they are after. exactly who do you think you are dealing with here? 
 
 

The best possible case scenario, and even this is unlikely, is that the TPP will be a bigger, broader NAFTA,  which will make it a minor fail and not a catastrophic fail. I'm far less optimistic.
It's far more likely that language that requires teenage american females are required are to serve 2 years as comfort girls in China than anything enforceably benificial to americans with trade.

[RoadKingLarry]

One section of it has been leaked. I guess that part exists. What do they call it when the Feds have documents but won't reveal them to the public?

With the Obama administration they call it "transperancy".