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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2015, 09:29:21 AM »
Then you better have the appropriate power of attorney or advance directive.  Or got your marriage license signed by a judge.  Even if its an either/or thing, clergy can perform marriages and not sign the license.

What would be the difference? if the couple's legal entitlements change, that's as civil as it gets.  If they don't then what's the marriage?

The best thing that can come from all this reexamination is a reexamination of divorce.  Maybe gay marriages will result in divorce rules that are less blatantly man hating. 

I always tell my friends that choosing a good church to be married in is important - you'll need their charity bin when divorce time comes. 
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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2015, 10:15:37 AM »
What would be the difference? if the couple's legal entitlements change, that's as civil as it gets.  If they don't then what's the marriage?

I think we've been through all this before, and it didn't end well.  Obviously, marriage means something special to many of us, but to you it is just a legal instrument.  Nobody is going to change their mind.


On the "good news" side: a trio in Billings has applied for a marriage license to add a second wife  :laugh:
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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2015, 10:19:21 AM »



On the "good news" side: a trio in Billings has applied for a marriage license to add a second wife  :laugh:

Funny today... 20 years from now, there will be 12 year old boys being added to the 'marriages' of fabulous duos, and you'll be a bigot for speaking up against it.
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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2015, 10:27:52 AM »
Funny today... 20 years from now, there will be 12 year old boys being added to the 'marriages' of fabulous duos, and you'll be a bigot for speaking up against it.

It will be interesting to see how the "progressives" reconcile that with their abhorrence of anything remotely resembling child abuse today  =|
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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2015, 10:32:27 AM »
It will be interesting to see how the "progressives" reconcile that with their abhorrence of anything remotely resembling child abuse today  =|

Whew, THAT made me laugh out loud.

As though they have ever had a problem with cognitive dissonance.

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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2015, 10:33:47 AM »
It will be interesting to see how the "progressives" reconcile that with their abhorrence of anything remotely resembling child abuse today

More interesting will be sensible people marrying others' fetuses to prevent abortions.

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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2015, 10:36:28 AM »
It will be interesting to see how the "progressives" reconcile that with their abhorrence of anything remotely resembling child abuse today  =|

They've been ignoring child abuse by their own for as long as I remember. Some are even heroes to them, Pulanski, Allen ...

Then of course we have the whole pedo island rumor and multiple Hollywood underage sex scandals that just get swept away.

It's only "all about the children" in theory, not about actual human beings.  
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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2015, 10:45:00 AM »
Marriage is an inherently legal creature, even though the relationships underneath it aren't.

I concur, almost. I'll only quibble with the wording. I would say it's even more a social and religious creature, but I don't think you meant to rule that out.
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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2015, 10:52:18 AM »
Funny today... 20 years from now, there will be 12 year old boys being added to the 'marriages' of fabulous duos, and you'll be a bigot for speaking up against it.


This. If the same-sex taboo can be so rapidly inverted into a taboo against heterosexism, then non-consent shaming can be easily added to the new list of sins that dare not speak their names.
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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2015, 11:27:34 AM »
Funny today... 20 years from now, there will be 12 year old boys being added to the 'marriages' of fabulous duos, and you'll be a bigot for speaking up against it.

WWG --> WWT --> WWPolygamy --> WWPedophilia


It will be interesting to see how the "progressives" reconcile that with their abhorrence of anything remotely resembling child abuse today  =|

If they abhorred child abuse, they would target the demographics that most sexually abuse children.  They do not, so I make the reasonable assumption that they do not truly care about the sexual abuse of minors.


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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2015, 12:13:28 PM »

Marriage is an inherently legal creature, even though the relationships underneath it aren't.

The state's so-called marriage is a legal construct.  The church's so-called marriage is religious construct.  The two have little todo with the other, but they do have a *lot* of overlap -- and they are starting to diverge.
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Re: Evangelical churches address a new reality
« Reply #61 on: July 02, 2015, 12:48:47 PM »
The state's so-called marriage is a legal construct.  The church's so-called marriage is religious construct.  The two have little todo with the other, but they do have a *lot* of overlap -- and they are starting to diverge.

The state will not allow a divergence- count on it. The State needs the churches to tow the line to salvage any legitimacy left in the State.
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