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http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2015/10/05/us-russia-vladimir-putin-syria-ukraine-american-military-plans/73147344/

Russia clearly has some areas of military competence that equal or exceed that of the Western powers.
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2015, 12:05:54 PM »
Not likely to happen, despite our worthless & feckless POTUS and the nearly-insane neocon faction that hateshateshates ethnic Russians with a passion.

In one way, we are somewhat blessed by BHO's supine posture in the face of world events.  He was not willing to go to war with Russia over the issue of Russia's law against recruiting minors into homosexual liaisons, thus avoiding World War G.  There were plenty in the NYT and elsewhere that wanted to go hammer & tongs after Russia in Ukraine and elsewhere because of the sainted sodomites.  Presidential ennui FTW.

The USA has reduced its capability quite a bit against a peer foe, given:
1. 14 year emphasis on counter-insurgency.
2. Reduction in armed forces.
3. Reduction has been in the useful personnel.  Careerist bureaucratic barnacles are now a larger proportion of total.

Where we are likely to see these chickens come home to roost is in east asia, where the red chinese have so many assets to call on, we would likely be hard-pressed to control the air space and littoral bits unless we were willing to lose a couple fleet carriers, our bases in guam, okinama, japan, & S korea.  And by "lose" those bases, I mean rubbled.  Just look at the open sources.  Even if a large proportion of Red Chinese systems go tits up, there are plenty left to do the job.  Our allies need to make the swallowing of their territory an unpleasant prospect for the red chinese.
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2015, 12:58:40 PM »

Russia has a distinct strategic advantage that they don't care as much about international opinion. They do not have to play "nice guy" on the international stage. They don't do nation building, or not remotely to the same extent we do. They also have a stranglehold on much of Europe with natural gas pipelines. Their economy is still shaky, however. And relying on fossil fuel is profitable, but has sharp pricing curves.

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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2015, 02:48:04 PM »
Russia has a distinct strategic advantage that they don't care as much about international opinion . . .
And don't forget, Russia has a leader who is NOT trying to diminish the country he's leading.

I wish we could say the same . . .  =(
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2015, 03:07:23 PM »
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2015, 03:15:38 PM »


That will kick things off right sporty.
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2015, 03:56:31 PM »
No mention that Russia has had a Naval base at Tartus, Syria for decades. Russia's interest in Syria's stability is news how?
I laugh at the mention that Russia and the US will be in a proxy war taking different sides... Russia supports Assad, US supports ISIS, err,the kurds, err.....????
I'm glad the Russians are there- US meddling in N. Africa and Syria has been a disaster, pretty much like everything else obama has touched.
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2015, 04:09:37 PM »
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2015, 04:09:59 PM »
No mention that Russia has had a Naval base at Tartus, Syria for decades. Russia's interest in Syria's stability is news how?
I laugh at the mention that Russia and the US will be in a proxy war taking different sides... Russia supports Assad, US supports ISIS, err,the kurds, err.....????
I'm glad the Russians are there- US meddling in N. Africa and Syria has been a disaster, pretty much like everything else obama has touched.

No, we support the OTHER terrorists, not ISIS. Clearly we don't support the Kurds or we'd be giving them actual support. Or weapons. Or training. Or something other than whatever the other factions the the area that hate them want them to have.
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2015, 04:52:52 PM »
No, we support the OTHER terrorists, not ISIS. Clearly we don't support the Kurds or we'd be giving them actual support. Or weapons. Or training. Or something other than whatever the other factions the the area that hate them want them to have.
Yeah, we supported the Muslim Brotherhood, amongst others- weren't these groups absorbed or morphed into ISIL/ISIS, or did the Commander in Chief *spit* just consider them the 'JV team' until they hoovered up a large amount of US weapons, tanks, and other vehicles?

Speaking of which, it can get sporty if Russia accidentally attacks an american convoy that they confuse for ISIS...
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2015, 05:30:35 PM »
No mention that Russia has had a Naval base at Tartus, Syria for decades. Russia's interest in Syria's stability is news how?
I laugh at the mention that Russia and the US will be in a proxy war taking different sides... Russia supports Assad, US supports ISIS, err,the kurds, err.....????
I'm glad the Russians are there- US meddling in N. Africa and Syria has been a disaster, pretty much like everything else obama has touched.
I tend to agree on that last.  I think Obama is supporting all the wrong people in the middle east. 

Honestly, I wouldn't be unhappy if we just pulled out of the entire Middle East and stopping supporting anyone (or trying to stifle them).  Put that effort into make sure we don't have to buy any more oil from that area. 
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2015, 09:57:42 PM »
How many of us are Cold War vets?  We studied a lot of Warsaw Pact weapons and strategy back in the late 80s/early 90s.  Given that my Soviet counterparts have gone on to become Russian senior officers, and their stagnant economy hasn't lent bto massive military research and development, I suppose they will run the same doctrine.  Armor and infantry in overwhelming numbers.  Possible airborne assaults on strategic locations to pave the way for the armor and mobile infantry.  Massive artillery support.  Our key then was superior tech and skill to match their numbers.  A-10 and Apaches backing armor and infantry.  Only issue...nukes.
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2015, 10:01:30 PM »
Russian army not nearly as big as it used to be.  But, nukes.
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2015, 07:58:17 AM »
Russian army not nearly as big as it used to be.  But, nukes.

And, according to the article, is moving away from conscripts and towards a more professional force. 1/3 of the current members are not drafted, are well-trained and well-equipped (according to the article, I repeat.)
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2015, 07:59:22 AM »
Yeah, we supported the Muslim Brotherhood, amongst others- weren't these groups absorbed or morphed into ISIL/ISIS, or did the Commander in Chief *spit* just consider them the 'JV team' until they hoovered up a large amount of US weapons, tanks, and other vehicles?

Speaking of which, it can get sporty if Russia accidentally attacks an american convoy that they confuse for ISIS...

No it won't.  Obama will apologize for the convoy getting in the way of the Russian bombs and such.
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2015, 08:55:43 AM »
No it won't.  Obama will apologize for the convoy getting in the way of the Russian bombs and such.

True.
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Re: What military conflict would look like between Russia and the US
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2015, 09:37:05 AM »
And don't forget, Russia has a leader who is NOT trying to diminish the country he's leading.

I wish we could say the same . . .  =(

Matter of debate. Putin isn't as competent as folks believe. Or rather, he probably is, but his cronies are picked mostly for their loyalty to him rather than their competence. Which yes, can and does diminish Russia. The oligarchs support Putin, and Putin supports them. They do what they do for themselves, not necessarily Russia as a whole. 

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How many of us are Cold War vets?  We studied a lot of Warsaw Pact weapons and strategy back in the late 80s/early 90s.  Given that my Soviet counterparts have gone on to become Russian senior officers, and their stagnant economy hasn't lent bto massive military research and development, I suppose they will run the same doctrine.  Armor and infantry in overwhelming numbers.  Possible airborne assaults on strategic locations to pave the way for the armor and mobile infantry.  Massive artillery support.  Our key then was superior tech and skill to match their numbers.  A-10 and Apaches backing armor and infantry.  Only issue...nukes.

The number of Abrams is dropping, we're phasing out the A-10, we've slashed artillery to the bone, Apaches are getting a bit long in the tooth. "Infantry" is doing well, even if not all the infantry hold that title. A lot of people were doing the work in Iraq and Afghanistan. But that's counterinsurgency work, not mechanized infantry work.

We're strong on sea and air power, land...  eh. Russia is countering that by focusing on land and anti-stealth technology. We could probably own the seas against Russia. Air, probably not. They have an extremely strong anti-air capacity. Aside from nukes, they can't threaten us directly. But we can't face them on land. If Russia wanted to occupy all the countries they border, we would be hard pressed to stop them even if we were willing to fight Russia.

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