Multiple Terrorist Attacks in Paris

[Blakenzy]

And maybe unicorns lick ice cream cones with a prehensile tongue out of their fourth point of contact.

"To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle."
----George Orwell

Orwell, wise as he was, did not consider those that did not want ot see reality, but striggled mightily to not see what was in front of their nose.

True, and I'll tell you what is it that we are not seeing in front of our noses and that is Western government meddling in other sovereign countries sponsoring instability, and at the same time Western unwillingness to protect their own borders.

The enemies are within and I am not talking about refugees. If this was carried out by Al Qaeda, ISIS or similar responsibility falls squarely on US, UK and other NATO intelligence agencies, organizations that have been working closely with these jokers, getting them weapons, training, know how and most gravely, protection instead of taking them down..

Orwell also taught us about the use of boogie men in far off places to justify and perpetuate fear and perpetual war which of course enabled blind fanaticism and oppression at home "for your safety". Ring a bell?

This tragedy is  is going to be milked for everything it is worth to get France and other EU countries into the charade (War on US-Saudi funded ISIS). The US government knows it needs all allies on board now that Russia has joined the mix.

I don't believe that people leaving the middle east are all "freeloading men of military age" looking for free stuff. That's just ignorant. Have a look at what is going on over there.

[roo_ster]

Other than being outraged and sad as the population would be, the politicians put a lot of efford into saying we're at war now (with the islamic state) rather than experiencing a terrorist attack, which sounds a lot like preparing an intervention over there (Syria) which we really don't need now. Either the extremists are really, really smart or we're just really dumb in good old Europe: First we're under siege by a ton of Syrian refugees, than we have terrorist attacks which is bringing one more reason as if we needed one to go back to Syria: That's what I call a lose, lose & lose situation.        

Invite the world, invade the world. 

On Sunday, five years less a day after Saudi and Egyptian terrorists killed 3,000 Americans, the New York Times reported in More Muslims Arrive in U.S., After 9/11 Dip:

"In 2005, more people from Muslim countries became legal permanent United States residents—nearly 96,000—than in any year in the previous two decades." [By Andrea Elliott, September 10, 2006]

Of course, no foreign Muslim can hurt us here in America unless we let him into America. But the Bush Administration, instead of securing the borders, is ginning up another round of war fever.

Iran in 2006 is being compared to Germany in 1938

Instead of cutting off immigration from muslim countries and rousting those within France.  Nice to know that France's political class is as foolish and mendacious as ours.

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True, and I'll tell you what is it that we are not seeing in front of our noses and that is Western government meddling in other sovereign countries sponsoring instability, and at the same time Western unwillingness to protect their own borders.

Indeed.  You'd almost think our political class did not have our best interests in mind.

[Ben]

I see Hollande has stated that the French response will be "merciless". This is someone who is generally pegged as an "it takes a village" left, socialist, progressive person. Yet even if all that is true about him, he still sees this attack for what it was, and he doesn't talk about "capturing and bringing to justice" as if they are civil criminals. He talks about retribution that will make the terrorists look for softer targets. If only our own Presidents of recent vintage (both dem and rep) were that hardline. "Understanding your enemy" is a bit different than "having understanding for your enemy".

John Bolton has a few good points on the attacks. I do disagree somewhat with his third point. I still value my freedom over my safety, and the personal liberty conversation would not be so much in the forefront if our intelligence programs focused less on being politically correct and more on intelligence, like, you know, profiling (not to include grandmas). Every person in the US is not a potential enemy or terrorist. We know for the most part how to profile for the most effect, but we choose not to offend people (unless they are "white, redneck domestic terrorists" - then we seem to have no problems profiling).

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/11/14/paris-attacks-important-lessons-must-heed-from-french-tragedy.html

[HeroHog]

All I can say is thank God for my Uplula Loader and, even with it, my thumb is killing me. Well, break's over, still have a few left to go.

[Fly320s]

All I can say is thank God for my Uplula Loader and, even with it, my thumb is killing me. Well, break's over, still have a few left to go.

Are you concerned about a coordinated terrorist attack in Smallville, LA?

[HeroHog]

Nope, but why take chances? I AM just down the road from a large AFB with Nukes...
When I am out of the house I carry unless I am going to the VA Hospital (and that pisses me RTFO!). Here at home, "Lil' Brother" is very close at hand (at my feet in my bag with it's pouch open where access ts fast and easy actually) and the long gun is snug in the gun locker with its friends. I'm just rethinking my strategy and will be leaving the SUB2K out when we are home "just in case." This gives both Terri and I good firepower and a weapon each.

[roo_ster]

Paris terrorist was a Syrian refugee, says Greece government official

A Greek government official revealed the man, who died in the seige on the French capital, had passed through the southern European country last month.

A passport was found near the body of the gunmen, revealed he arrived in mainland Europe from the Greek island of Leros, suggesting he arrived in there by boat.

Citizen Protection Minister Nikos Toskas, in charge of police forces, has released the following statement: "On the case of the Syrian passport found at the scene of the terrorist attack, we announce that the passport holder had passed from Leros on October 3 where he was identified based on EU rules.

Sure glad he was IDed in accord with EU rules, otherwise something awful might have happened.

How many of these jokers did Obama say he wanted to bring to America, again?

[TechMan]

Paris terrorist was a Syrian refugee, says Greece government official



Sure glad he was IDed in accord with EU rules, otherwise something awful might have happened.

How many of these jokers did Obama say he wanted to bring to America, again?

200,000 over the next 2 years.

[zxcvbob]

Are you concerned about a coordinated terrorist attack in Smallville, LA?

The one place I almost always carry is in church, in a little hamlet a lot smaller than Smallville.  It's not that I think anything is going to happen, but if it does there is only one exit and we'll have to shoot our way out or everybody dies.

Right after that church shooting in... Charleston, was it? a slightly grungy stranger came in halfway thru the church service (he heard almost all the sermon) and sat on the back row.  He ducked out real fast at the end before I got a chance to greet him.  My wife said later that when he came in she wondered "what if he was a terrorist or lunatic?"  I told her I was sitting behind him to the left (at the soundboard) and I had him covered -- and I *didnt* think about it because I thought about it ahead of time, months ago, and was prepared.

[Perd Hapley]

The one place I almost always carry is in church, in a little hamlet a lot smaller than Smallville.  It's not that I think anything is going to happen, but if it does there is only one exit and we'll have to shoot our way out or everybody dies.

Right after that church shooting in... Charleston, was it? a slightly grungy stranger came in halfway thru the church service (he heard almost all the sermon) and sat on the back row.  He ducked out real fast at the end before I got a chance to greet him.  My wife said later that when he came in she wondered "what if he was a terrorist or lunatic?"  I told her I was sitting behind him to the left (at the soundboard) and I had him covered -- and I *didnt* think about it because I thought about it ahead of time, months ago, and was prepared.

No doubt. What with Ferguson being ten miles down the road, and 7 churches being lit on fire in the area, we've been keeping a lookout, too.

[De Selby]

Honest question: do you consider Australia and/or the U.S. to be majority Christian countries?

No, which was sort of my point.   Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.

Why would ISIS attack the US?   It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia.  They won't be attacking us any time soon.

[brimic]

No, which was sort of my point.   Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.

Why would ISIS attack the US?   It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia.  They won't be attacking us any time soon.

 

[Perd Hapley]

No, which was sort of my point.   Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.

Most people don't want to be deeply religious.

[Regolith]

No, which was sort of my point.   Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.

Why would ISIS attack the US?   It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia.  They won't be attacking us any time soon.

That's literally delusional. You may want to get a doctor to check that out...

[Angel Eyes]

On a less contentious note: the U.S. Army football team took the field today, displaying Old Glory and the French tri-color:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/army-runs-out-on-field-with-both-france-and-u-s--flags--video-175451419.html

https://twitter.com/Gkatt_17/status/665576305082179586/video/1

[BlueStarLizzard]

No, which was sort of my point.   Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.

Why would ISIS attack the US?   It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia.  They won't be attacking us any time soon.

I don't think we will see heavy attacks like what we saw in France. Maybe some isolated incidents.

But not because they don't hate us and want to destroy us. More of their limitations are that they just can't walk across the Atlantic.

I don't think ISIS is much on the logic when it comes to those they wish to kill. They just want to kill.

[RoadKingLarry]

They don't have to walk across anything. Obama is flying them in by the thousands on our dime.

[TommyGunn]

No, which was sort of my point.   Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.

Why would ISIS attack the US?   It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia.  They won't be attacking us any time soon.

"Them thar is friendly Indians!!"  ~~ George A. Custer, upon arriving at the Little Bighorn, in a really old  ..... "joke."

Yeah. ISIS is our friend.  We've been sending them bomb bouquets on occasion as get-to-know-you gifts. 
I don't know when/if they will attack us ... but if they can hit Paris, hitting Washington DC isn't that much harder.

[Andiron]

They don't have to walk across anything. Obama is flying them in by the thousands on our dime.

Yep.

http://www.walb.com/story/30428985/syrian-refugees-beginning-to-arrive-in-new-orleans

[De Selby]

That's literally delusional. You may want to get a doctor to check that out...

Have a look:  http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

ISIS has never hit Israel or the US - so long as we help weaken their main opponent (by giving arms and training through related Islamic terror groups) it's unlikely they'll attack.

Russia and other countries actually attacking Isis are the prime targets.

[lee n. field]

No, which was sort of my point.   Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.

Why would ISIS attack the US?   It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia.  They won't be attacking us any time soon.

I'm not sure cold rational calculation is what drives them.

[De Selby]

If only someone could've seen that intervention against Assad in Syria would lead to this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10125455/Syrias-Bashar-al-Assad-warns-Europe-to-pay-price-for-arming-rebels.html

said: "Terrorists will train for combat and return home equipped with extremist ideology. For Europe, there is no alternative to cooperation with the Syrian government, even if Europe doesn't like it."

[roo_ster]

Have a look:  http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

ISIS has never hit Israel or the US - so long as we help weaken their main opponent (by giving arms and training through related Islamic terror groups) it's unlikely they'll attack.

Russia and other countries actually attacking Isis are the prime targets.

The only monkey wrench in that theory is that Russia's CAS missions have for the most part targeted not ISIS, but the other anti-Bashar rebel groups such as FSA & Al Nusra, as those groups are the ones in closest proximity to Assad's strongholds.

[Blakenzy]

ISIS has never hit Israel or the US - so long as we help weaken their main opponent (by giving arms and training through related Islamic terror groups) it's unlikely they'll attack.

They usually wait a decade or two. See Afghanistan; Al Qaeda

By the way, Gaddafi also warned that we were providing CAS in Libya for what he assured was Al Qaeda . Geez, maybe we should pay attention to what these guys have to say, instead of listening to Dear Leader.

[Regolith]

Have a look:  http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

ISIS has never hit Israel or the US - so long as we help weaken their main opponent (by giving arms and training through related Islamic terror groups) it's unlikely they'll attack.

Russia and other countries actually attacking Isis are the prime targets.

As others have noted, ISIS simply doesn't have the power to make an attack on the US easy. That doesn't mean they wouldn't attack us if given an opportunity, and their rhetoric spells out exactly that.

This is like thinking a caged lion is friendly because he hasn't attacked you while you stand outside his cage. He doesn't lack the will, he simply lacks the means.