Media playing us again. Why no photo of the female terrorist?

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

No photo of the female terrorist. Why?  I can't believe they do not have a photo. More likely the photo(s) they have, the Obama (and obamatrons) think it will embarass muslims or remind us that the terrorists are, a majority, muslims.

[red headed stranger]

More likely the photo(s) they have, the Obama (and obamatrons) think it will embarass muslims or remind us that the terrorists are, a majority, muslims.

I would bet that CAIR is consulting the media outlets on how to be sensitive to the plight of the American Muslim. 

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

I would bet that CAIR is consulting the media outlets on how to be sensitive to the plight of the American Muslim. 

I'm sure. IMO, *expletive deleted*ck the American muslim. This is what happens when you wait this long to come forward and speak out against terrorism in your religions name.

[red headed stranger]

First pic released: 

http://abcnews.go.com/International/female-san-bernardino-shooter-tashfeen-malik/story?id=35589386

[RoadKingLarry]

so I'm guessing this one was some kind of a hoax then?

[Hawkmoon]

Sheesh!

Malik came to the U.S. on what is known as a “fiancé” visa, which allows an American fiancé to petition for his or her partner’s temporary entry before marriage. For the visa application, the address she listed in her Pakistani hometown, ABC News discovered today, does not exist. Malik received a her Green Card this summer, U.S. officials said.

I read a different article that claimed "fiancee visa" recipients are very carefully screened. Sure doesn't sound like it to me.

[freakazoid]

I've been wondering that too. She was killed with her husband, how do they not have any photos of her but they do of him?

[Scout26]

There may not have been many of her.  I'd bet the only ones are DL (if she even had one) and here Saudi/Pakistani passport.

And maybe for once the news did want to go plastering the wrong face all over the news.   I know when the media was traipsing through their apartment they shied away from showing any photos (and it seemed like there were lots).

 

[dogmush]

There may not have been many of her.  I'd bet the only ones are DL (if she even had one) and here Saudi/Pakistani passport.

And maybe for once the news did want to go plastering the wrong face all over the news.   I know when the media was traipsing through their apartment they shied away from showing any photos (and it seemed like there were lots).

 

Except Mom's drivers license and address.

[Hawkmoon]

Check this out: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justice-jeanine/index.html#/v/4648609336001network

The judge has a point. The wife came here on a "fiance" visa. The U.S. supposedly checks out people before issuing those visas, but they obviously don't do a very good job. In fact, if you delve into any of those "Russian Brides" type web sites, underneath you'll find that there's a small industry of lawyers who specialize in geting women through the fiance visa process. They are coached on how to fill out the paperwork, how to dress, how to speak, and how to respond when they get to the personal interview stage.

In other words, the skids are well greased. We need to throw a bit of sand into the gears.

[dogmush]

Not sure that's the link you were going for, as much as I love PBY's.

It's not just the Fiance visa's. If you think CAIR and the other domestic Islamic advocates don't spend big bucks on lawyers and coaching for refugees, I have a bridge to sell you.

[Ben]

It's not just the Fiance visa's. If you think CAIR and the other domestic Islamic advocates don't spend big bucks on lawyers and coaching for refugees, I have a bridge to sell you.

Something else that didn't exist in the past. People still think of the old definition of refugee, which was basically someone hoofing it for their lives with the clothes on their backs and what little they could carry.

 Now "refugees" seem to show up with smart phones, money, and lawyers.

[Hawkmoon]

Not sure that's the link you were going for, as much as I love PBY's.

Link fixed. Thanks.

[Firethorn]

Something else that didn't exist in the past. People still think of the old definition of refugee, which was basically someone hoofing it for their lives with the clothes on their backs and what little they could carry.

 Now "refugees" seem to show up with smart phones, money, and lawyers.

I'd argue that today, 'smart phones' are about as ubiquitous as belts.  They can be had for nearly free and are powerful communication devices.  If I was making a run for it, my cell phone would probably be coming with me, if nothing else because it's already in my pocket.

Money is another thing that I think you're under-estimating. A lot of Jews came over here in WWII broke, yes, but many who were more forward looking liquidated what they could and came here with rolls of cash.

Once you have a roll of cash, even if that meant selling your $40k house for $5k and busting another $5k out of the mattress, Lawyers are easy enough to get.

That being said, I've seen a lot of accusations of lazyness on this board from members.  Historically refugees were often some of our hardest workers, and I actually doubt this has changed.  We are, after all, looking at people with the gumption to leave when things got bad, and the determination and smarts to actually make it.

[T.O.M.]

Heard something on talk-radio driving yesterday.  Some people say that she started wearing the full facial scarf near the end, and that it is highly offensive to Muslims to publish photos of her face. 


Whatever.

[Ben]

Money is another thing that I think you're under-estimating. A lot of Jews came over here in WWII broke, yes, but many who were more forward looking liquidated what they could and came here with rolls of cash.

I would argue that in the above case, you're more of an exp-pat than a refugee. Especially after having celebrated my aunt's 90th with her yesterday and hearing more about their hoofing it from the ruskies in WW2. Soldiers and bombs were an everyday occurrence. "Get the hell out" time of invasion and trains to Siberia was fairly short notice.

There are still many places in the world where your main assets are the roof over your head and a little money in the bank (or under the mattress). When it's time to leave, nobody wants to buy the roof, and often your money is gone or worthless. If you're wealthy and can plan ahead, that's great.

Again, though, I would submit that you're not a "refugee" in the historical sense of the word. Many, if not most of the current Syrians seem to be heading for better economic opportunities rather than fleeing for their lives. When my mom's family fled Hungary, they were refugees. When my family hit Ellis island via post war Germany, they were immigrants.

[Scout26]

My only quibble would be with:

Many, if not most of the current Syrians seem to be heading for better economic opportunities rather than fleeing for their lives.

IIRC, Syria, under Assad is/was mostly a Baathist/Socialist state, in which most people relied upon the .gov for their sustenance.  Once that more or less ended with the start of the uprising/civil war, they lost their meal ticket.   So if by "heading  for better economic opportunities" you mean "are looking for another free meal ticket by heading to Germany, Sweden, and those countries which have the "best" welfare benefits."  Then you are correct.

Although I do think that it is still more an invasion then anything else.



And I would totally disagree with Firethorn

A lot of Jews came over here in WWII broke, yes, but many who were more forward looking liquidated what they could and came here with rolls of cash.

There were damn few that walked out of concentration camps or even the wreckage of Europe with little more then the clothes on their backs (if even that).   What happened in the Holocaust was completely unprecedented. 

[Ben]

My only quibble would be with:

IIRC, Syria, under Assad is/was mostly a Baathist/Socialist state, in which most people relied upon the .gov for their sustenance.  Once that more or less ended with the start of the uprising/civil war, they lost their meal ticket.   So if by "heading  for better economic opportunities" you mean "are looking for another free meal ticket by heading to Germany, Sweden, and those countries which have the "best" welfare benefits."  Then you are correct.

Although I do think that it is still more an invasion then anything else.

No quibble. I would agree with all that. All too often modern immigration from certain parts of the world is "free meal ticket" versus "opportunity to work and prosper".

[roo_ster]

What happened in the Holocaust was completely unprecedented. 

If by "unprecedented," you mean, "very common, starting with Noah and the Flood, continuing throughout recorded history, and still going on today" I would agree.

References:
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/melian.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

Genocide is often viewed as a particular feature of our own current age. This perception largely stems from the terrible events which took place during World War Two in the 20th century CE in the parts of Europe occupied by the Nazis. However, there are certain occasions in the ancient world which could also be possibly considered as genocide.

[Scout26]

If by "unprecedented," you mean, "very common, starting with Noah and the Flood, continuing throughout recorded history, and still going on today" I would agree.

References:
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/melian.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

"Unprecedented" in that Jews had always been able to survive the various pogroms and other atrocities committed against them in the past.  The survivors I talked to spoke of enduring (Jews are good at suffering) their captivity and then once the war was over, things would go back to "normal".   

"Unprecedented"  in the size (sheer numbers) and the industrialization of the genocide.

[roo_ster]

"Unprecedented" in that Jews had always been able to survive the various pogroms and other atrocities committed against them in the past.  The survivors I talked to spoke of enduring (Jews are good at suffering) their captivity and then once the war was over, things would go back to "normal".   

"Unprecedented"  in the size (sheer numbers) and the industrialization of the genocide.

Sorry, I am still unconvinced that the Nazi mass murder of all the European Jewry they could get their hands on was unprecedented, unless you mean, "this time it happened to Jews".  Oh, I don't quibble with the canonical Jewish death toll of 6 millions.  Genocide is just too common an event in history and done in proportions greater than that inflicted upon European Jewry. 

As for absolute numbers, the Nazis could not compete with the USSR(1) or Red China(2).  Proportion-wise, there are many who are remembered only in history books, as their genocide killed 100% of them (or close enough that they were no longer a coherent people).  Heck, depending on whose estimates you used, the Amenian genocide killed a greater proportion of Armenians than Jews were killed int eh Holocaust.  And as for rate, the Hutus in Rawanda set the standard in the 1990s: 500k to 1million in 100days.  Mostly with machetes, for a total of roughly 70% of the Tutsis in Rawanda.  All that is just a partial accounting for the 20th century.

And if the focus is middle-man sojourning minorities, there have been plenty of (dot) Indians mass-murdered and completely wiped out in a particular country in Africa by bantu or nilotic peoples.  Don;t forget the overseas Chinese in SE Asia killed to a man by angry locals at times.

I will grant a partial "unprecedented" for industrialization.  Soviet genocide was pretty darned industrialized and started earlier than that by the Nazis, but the Germans were more efficient. 

There have not been 144 narrative (fiction) films and 180 documentary films about, say, the Armenian genocide to drive the impression that the genocide of the Armenians was an unique event in history.  Maybe if there were it would be the Armenian genocide we would look on as unique and the Turks as uniquely evil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_films







(1) Ethnic Russians or minorities in the USSR.

(2) Han chinese or minorities in the PRC.

[Hawkmoon]

All too often modern immigration from certain parts of the world is "free meal ticket" versus "opportunity to work and prosper".

Correct. It has now become "Opportunity to NOT work, and prosper."

[makattak]

Correct. It has now become "Opportunity to NOT work, and prosper."

It's also an opportunity to work, and work quite hard, while free-riding on all the other benefits provided to American citizens residents, all while ignoring the laws that raise the cost for American citizens to live: zoning restrictions, minimum wage, social security witholdings, insurance, etc...

[Hawkmoon]

It's also an opportunity to work, and work quite hard, while free-riding on all the other benefits provided to American citizens residents, all while ignoring the laws that raise the cost for American citizens to live: zoning restrictions, minimum wage, social security witholdings, insurance, etc...

True. And you overlooked the part about contributing to the society that's hosting you by participating in the economy. Too many foreign workers (both legal and illegal) send a huge percentage of their income (legal or under the table) back to their family in the native country rather than keep America's economy humming by buying things that normal families otherwise buy.

Think Western Union and their "Dinero en minuto" program, which makes it super easy for Mexicans to send money back to Mexico. WU didn't dream up a special program just for Mexico for no reason.