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Any septic system guru's?
« on: December 12, 2015, 03:36:36 PM »
Our home septic system has been giving high water alarms whenever we get a significant amount of rain.  Even when nobody is home for several days and no domestic water is being used.  Everything is peachy when it's dry weather.  Clearly rain/ground water must be getting in somehow.  It's a Glendon Biofilter system, with a set of tanks by the house that catch the solids and then discharge the liquids to the mound system that's about 400 feet from the house. 

We've dug up the pipe that leads from the house to the buried tanks.  The ground around it is dry as a bone.  There's also a pipe that transfers the water from one portion of the tanks to another.  I dug that up and while the ground is wet, it's hardly saturated.  We used the hose to flood that trench to see if we could make any water flow into the tanks but if it made a difference to the dribble that was constantly going on anyway, I couldn't tell.

We're probably going to get the septic guy out to pump the tanks (the solids tank is pretty full) and I'd like to also have him inspect the system to see if any faults can be found.  But in the mean time some tips on what to do and where to look to Dx the problem would be appreciated.  That will also help me figure out if the septic guy tries to scam me on any repairs.
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Re: Any septic system guru's?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2015, 07:06:47 PM »
Did the builder do something stupid like discharging a gutter or sump pump into the septic system?

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Re: Any septic system guru's?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2015, 07:13:58 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2015, 07:21:48 PM »
Did the builder do something stupid like discharging a gutter or sump pump into the septic system?

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A fair question.  We checked the gutter discharges a while ago, and they don't go into the septic.  There is no sump pump.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2015, 07:30:14 PM »
We're probably going to get the septic guy out to pump the tanks (the solids tank is pretty full)

Might be the reason right there.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2015, 07:37:31 PM »
Might be the reason right there.

Float for the alarm is in the last tank before it goes out to the mounds.  Solids are in the first tank.  There are 4 tanks total.
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Re: Any septic system guru's?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2015, 07:38:36 PM »
Float for the alarm is in the last tank before it goes out to the mounds.  Solids are in the first tank.  There are 4 tanks total.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2015, 07:44:29 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2015, 07:51:37 PM »
Float for the alarm is in the last tank before it goes out to the mounds.  Solids are in the first tank.  There are 4 tanks total.

Is your yard sloped towards the opening of any of those tanks? towards the mound causing back flow?
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2015, 08:03:19 PM »
Is your yard sloped towards the opening of any of those tanks? towards the mound causing back flow?

Mounds are downhill from the tanks (they have to be).  It's pretty flat where the tanks are.  Most water flowing from uphill of the tanks gets diverted away from the tanks (and house).  At least I think so.

But there has to be rain/ground water getting into the tanks somehow.  I'm just having a really hard time figuring out where.
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Re: Any septic system guru's?
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2015, 10:36:38 PM »
When they're pumping the tanks, have them inspect for cracks.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2015, 11:06:50 PM »
Mounds are downhill from the tanks (they have to be).  It's pretty flat where the tanks are.  Most water flowing from uphill of the tanks gets diverted away from the tanks (and house).  At least I think so.

But there has to be rain/ground water getting into the tanks somehow.  I'm just having a really hard time figuring out where.

How old is the system?
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Re: Any septic system guru's?
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2015, 02:02:35 AM »
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Re: Any septic system guru's?
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2015, 08:27:41 AM »
Float for the alarm is in the last tank before it goes out to the mounds.  Solids are in the first tank.  There are 4 tanks total.

Even so, the high level in the first tank could be pushing overflow water into the other tanks, water that the system would normally handle easily.
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Re: Any septic system guru's?
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2015, 10:21:02 AM »
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Last time it was pumped out, all the tanks?
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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2015, 08:05:02 PM »
Last time it was pumped out, all the tanks?

Not sure.  We moved in 2010.  But apparently the solids tank is by far the smallest.  SWMBO said, far as she can tell, the solids being full should make little or no difference compared to being empty.
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2015, 08:30:22 PM »
Not sure.  We moved in 2010.  But apparently the solids tank is by far the smallest.  SWMBO said, far as she can tell, the solids being full should make little or no difference compared to being empty.

May have filled up enough that it is moving solids to the other tanks.

Also, is your mound a peat system? The peat mats need to changed out after x number of years.

You may have some subterranean water movement (hydrology) happening if drainage tiles are plugged up moving water else where. Is there anyone up hill from you that may drain water into you yard, or has there been any changes in surface drainage near you. Abnormally wet? Hopefully your mound system isn't past it's useful life, where I live is 10-30 years depending upon use and soil type.
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Re: Any septic system guru's?
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2015, 09:05:21 PM »
May have filled up enough that it is moving solids to the other tanks.

Also, is your mound a peat system? The peat mats need to changed out after x number of years.

You may have some subterranean water movement (hydrology) happening if drainage tiles are plugged up moving water else where. Is there anyone up hill from you that may drain water into you yard, or has there been any changes in surface drainage near you. Abnormally wet? Hopefully your mound system isn't past it's useful life, where I live is 10-30 years depending upon use and soil type.

We pulled the lids off and there aren't any solids (that we can see) going beyond where they're supposed to.

It's not physically possible for water to back up from the leech field.  It's about 400' away from the tanks, probably 8-10' vertical drop to the mounds. Also it's pumped from the last tank to the mounds, not gravity fed.  The pump moves the water well under all conditions that we've observed it. 

Not a peat system.  Glendon biofilter.  Follow the link in the OP for the details, but its basically a special sand filter bed.

Only changes to drainage near us is what we've done on our own land and if anything that should be helping us with this issue, not hurting us.
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2015, 09:13:55 PM »
Could also be water infiltration to the electrics causing a faulty sensor reading.

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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2015, 09:21:12 PM »
Could also be water infiltration to the electrics causing a faulty sensor reading.

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Good thought.  We've pulled the lid on that last tank during an alarm and the water was indeed high.
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Re: Any septic system guru's?
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2015, 09:39:41 PM »
Gotta be in the leech field then.  If ti makes it through x number of tanks and still doesn't drain off,  with perfect fall.
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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2015, 10:23:11 PM »
The alarm is defective.
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2015, 06:27:40 PM »
The alarm is defective.
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Re: Any septic system guru's?
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2015, 08:24:53 PM »
Corrosion in the control box caused ours to issue a couple false alarms.

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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2015, 05:53:07 PM »
So what did the septic guy say?
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