Flying lesson!

[Fitz]

No.  Exceeding the critical angle of attack while in uncoordinated flight leads to a stall/spin.  /aerodynamics Nazi.

What happens is a pilot will attempt to make that turn around, realize he is too low or in too wide of a turn and try to tighten the turn.  Then he starts bleeding airspeed, so he lowers the nose.  Then he realizes he is too low and still needs to tighten the turn, so he pulls the nose up, adds bank or too much rudder, and... ta-da!... a one turn spin right into the ground.

Or the turn to final mistake. Turn to final, you're already kinda slow. You go wide so you increase bank. Then you realize you're still too wide, so you try to cheat and get the nose where it needs to be with the rudder. Woops

[Unisaw]

What model of aircraft is that?  Also, what is the silver crank above your head?

[Fitz]

What model of aircraft is that?  Also, what is the silver crank above your head?

Cherokee 180

And that crank is the elevator trim. Goofy as hell. Cessna have a wheel that I like better
It's to relieve your need to hold pressure on the yoke . You get into level flight, a descent, a climb, etc, and the trim allows you to adjust the plane so you don't need to hold the elevator pressure

[Fly320s]

Cherokee 180

And that crank is the elevator trim. Goofy as hell. Cessna have a wheel that I like better
It's to relieve your need to hold pressure on the yoke . You get into level flight, a descent, a climb, etc, and the trim allows you to adjust the plane so you don't need to hold the elevator pressure

Newer Pipers went to a wheel between the seats, IIRC.

[Fitz]

Newer Pipers went to a wheel between the seats, IIRC.

Yeah, many with electric buttons on the yoke too.

[Fly320s]

Yeah, many with electric buttons on the yoke too.

Now yer gettin' fancy.

[Fitz]

Now yer gettin' fancy.

Just wait till I build a plane. ;-)

[tokugawa]

Here you go- sex on wings
 http://www.falcoaircraft.org/

[Fly320s]

Here you go- sex on wings
 http://www.falcoaircraft.org/

Falcos are decent, but I prefer the Lancair. http://www.lancair.com/

[Fitz]

Falcos are decent, but I prefer the Lancair. http://www.lancair.com/

I want to build something goofy, like an aerocanard SX or a velocity

[Fly320s]

I've always liked the Velocity.  You don't want something conventional, but functional, like an RV? 

I would go the opposite direction and get an off-the-shelf plane for low and slow flying.  Maybe some mild aerobatics for fun.  Or even an Aircam, just because.  http://www.lockwoodaircraft.com/

[Fitz]

I've always liked the Velocity.  You don't want something conventional, but functional, like an RV?  

I would go the opposite direction and get an off-the-shelf plane for low and slow flying.  Maybe some mild aerobatics for fun.  Or even an Aircam, just because.  http://www.lockwoodaircraft.com/

I  thought about an RV, too. Not sure

I want something four place with a decent useful load that would be good for taking my family to places.

And I like weird ass canard pushers. Dunno why. personal aesthetic preference I guess.

This one is neat

http://www.aircraftmerchants.com/images/A23F6025-0BC5-4187-AEA5-FC0015422C71/2.jpg


Nice thing about the RV10 is you can buy it in subkits. And Vans has been around long enough that there's no real danger of having them go completely away in the middle of a build

[Jocassee]

I've always liked the Velocity.  You don't want something conventional, but functional, like an RV? 

I would go the opposite direction and get an off-the-shelf plane for low and slow flying.  Maybe some mild aerobatics for fun.  Or even an Aircam, just because.  http://www.lockwoodaircraft.com/

$45,495? You could get a real airplane for a lot less.

[Fly320s]

$45,495? You could get a real airplane for a lot less.

The completed price will be well over $100k.

I don't want a real plane.  I've got thousands of hours in real planes.  I want something fun.  That is, if I was going to get a plane, which I never will.  There are too many other toys that I can use only 4 days a month that cost a whole lot less.

[Jocassee]

There are too many other toys that I can use only 4 days a month that cost a whole lot less.

This is why I'm playing powerball next time.

[Fitz]

$45,495? You could get a clapped out old trainer from the 70s.

Fixed

[Fly320s]

Fixed

Here ya go. The first 17 pages are under $46k.

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?s-type=aircraft&category=Single+Engine+Piston&s-page_size=25&s-seq=1&s-lvl=3&s-sort_key=price&s-sort_order=asc&s-page=18

[Fitz]

Here ya go. The first 17 pages are under $46k.

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?s-type=aircraft&category=Single+Engine+Piston&s-page_size=25&s-seq=1&s-lvl=3&s-sort_key=price&s-sort_order=asc&s-page=18

yeah I was mostly being facetious

what irritates me is how much more expensive it is, for example, to completely upgrade a panel on a certified aircraft vs an experimental.

In my mind, if the certified aircraft is non-commercial, personal use, you should be able to do the same *expletive deleted*it you can do in an RV. It's insane how much avionics differ in price solely by application and the lack of a TSO

[Fly320s]

yeah I was mostly being facetious

what irritates me is how much more expensive it is, for example, to completely upgrade a panel on a certified aircraft vs an experimental.

In my mind, if the certified aircraft is non-commercial, personal use, you should be able to do the same *expletive deleted*it you can do in an RV. It's insane how much avionics differ in price solely by application and the lack of a TSO

I completely agree with you.  The FAA was heavy-handed 30 years ago and they have only become worse.

[CypherNinja]

For sexy-supah-sporty I prefer the Flying Dodge Viper.

For something to actually build, I'm drooling over the idea of Velocity XL, preferably with this engine in it. 

[Fitz]

I completely agree with you.  The FAA was heavy-handed 30 years ago and they have only become worse.

Apparently another thing Inhofe was working on was a new category for certified planes for noncommercial personal use, that would apply the same maintenance and upgrade rules to them as experimentals.

Quick example: take a look at TSO'd vs non TSO'd PFDs for airplanes. the price difference is insane.

Considering the numbers EAA publishes, experimental safety is pretty good. And if we're talking about upgrading proven, factory built planes, it seems to me that giving these old birds some modern situational awareness tools is a good thing.

I can outfit a panel in an experimental with all the latest, multiple redundant systems and the FAA says fine. Try to replace an aging panel in an old piper with something modern and more reliable? GASP! NO!

[Fitz]

For sexy-supah-sporty I prefer the Flying Dodge Viper.

For something to actually build, I'm drooling over the idea of Velocity XL, preferably with this engine in it. 

I'd start a velocity RIGHT NOW if they had separate subkits.

the Aerocanard stuff does, so that may be an option. Can't drop the green ona  full velocity kit, but I certainly could do a section at a time if that option was available.