Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor

[Ron]

What I don't get is that if you truly believe this is genocide, why aren't you doing something to stop it, other than typing on a keyboard?  In 1945, we criticized a whole nation for standing by and watching the cattle cars be loaded up.  What are you doing that is different?

Any suggestions?

Most people in my family/friends circle who care to know my opinion know where I stand.

For the most part I don't vote for politicians who are in favor of legalized abortion. When I've compromised on that issue I've had regrets. The compromise has always been a failure in that they didn't get elected or they did and were a typical Republican.

My sphere of influence is small.

As a man of faith and reason speaking the truth and engaging in the dialog is something I can do and will continue to do.    

Going all Eric Rudolph is obviously not the reasonable nor Christlike way to effect change.

The world is full of horrors and always has been throughout all recorded history. The least I can do as a Christian is not harden my heart to these horrors and point them out to others who are, if not people of faith, reasonable folks who should value human life.

  

[MillCreek]

The world is full of horrors and always has been throughout all recorded history. The least I can do as a Christian is not harden my heart to these horrors and point them out to others who are, if not people of faith, reasonable folks who should value human life.

I have always thought that witnessing is a good approach.  I may not agree with the opinions of the people doing the witnessing, but at least they care enough to do so.

[roo_ster]

TEY GEHYZ TEH GEYZ TEH GEYZ TEH GEYZ ARE COMING!!!!!!1111!!!!!!


I don't really give a FLYING *expletive deleted*ck about what the queers are doing and who they are marrying. I'm FAR more *expletive deleted*ing concerned with trying to slow or stop the leftists when it comes to other parts of the government.

SO *expletive deleted*ing WHAT if the gays are marrying? ERMAGAHD they can get married!!11!!! END OF THE *expletive deleted*ing USA AS WE KNOW IT!!!11!!!!!


Prepare your anus for Hillary, because thats what you are gonna get.

Why, I never considered the ALLCAPZ!! argument.  I may now reconsider some of the assumptions that make up the moral foundations of my world view.  And I must say that your MOARCAPZ!!11!! point really did call into question all the post-election analysis of the 2008 and 2012 elections indicating that turning out the base was key to BHO's victories.  Last, your STILLMORECAPZ*expletive deleted*!!11!!!eleventy take on things makes me doubt the the utility of the decades of data showing strong statistical correlation between conservative social viewpoints and conservative fiscal attitudes in both voters and politicians. 

Thank you for rising above the typical unreasoning, childish, and emotive reaction so many take toward these issues.  It has been a delight reading and thinking over your contributions. 

[Perd Hapley]

What I don't get is that if you truly believe this is genocide, why aren't you doing something to stop it, other than typing on a keyboard?  In 1945, we criticized a whole nation for standing by and watching the cattle cars be loaded up.  What are you doing that is different?

There are a few problems with your question.

"Genocide" has racial or nationalistic overtones, and anti-abortion advocates aren't usually making that charge. Unless we are. Regardless what anyone calls it, though, facts is facts. We might ask you, why are you still talking about this as if it were hypothetical?

Another problem is that you're implying we do nothing else but talk, just because that's all you can see right now. But of course, there are people making exposés of Planned Parenthood. Other people run crisis pregnancy shelters. In my local area, there's a group that sets up outside a "clinic" every day, and lets women know that they can offer assistance to help them, if they want to keep the baby. I've been out there once or twice. The cops did their part to make us feel real welcome. (Not really.) Years back, anti-abortionists were apparently doing something, because they had a RICO case brought against them. Then you've got all the state laws that have been passed, that restrict abortion as much as possible. There are, reportedly, whole states with only one or two places to get an abortion, due to Republicans playing the burdensome regulation game on the providers.

Then we talk about doing something as tame as just voting for a pres. candidate that supports our position, and some o' y'all get all cranky about it... 

[Perd Hapley]

SO *expletive deleted*ing WHAT if the gays are marrying? ERMAGAHD they can get married!!11!!! END OF THE *expletive deleted*ing USA AS WE KNOW IT!!!11!!!!!

Well...

Yeah.

Correlation does not equal causation, but do you think it's a coincidence that the once-great America seems to be a distant memory, right about the time we are also canonizing the ghey maridge?

[cordex]

Correlation does not equal causation, but do you think it's a coincidence that the once-great America seems to be a distant memory, right about the time we are also canonizing the ghey maridge?

I blame the fall of the US on increased use of WiFi.

Coincidence?  I think not!

[Perd Hapley]

Correlation does not equal causation.

[charby]

Well...

Yeah.

Correlation does not equal causation, but do you think it's a coincidence that the once-great America seems to be a distant memory, right about the time we are also canonizing the ghey maridge?

Once great America was killed by greed and globalization.

[Perd Hapley]

Once great America was killed by greed and globalization.

SO *expletive deleted*ing WHAT if the gays are marrying? ERMAGAHD they can get married!!11!!! END OF THE *expletive deleted*ing USA AS WE KNOW IT!!!11!!!!!

I'm trying to decide which explanation is the more outlandish.

[charby]

I'm trying to decide which explanation is the more outlandish.

When is the last time you seen a TV, Cellphone, Stereo, DVD player, cordless drill, clothing, etc that was made in America?

[Perd Hapley]

Manufacturing did not make us great. When we won our independence, we could barely manufacture our own weapons. Manufacturing is nice to have, but it will not save us now.

[cordex]

Correlation does not equal causation.

Which is why I can't figure out why you start with that and then try to imply that correlation does in fact equal causation.

[Perd Hapley]

Which is why I can't figure out why you start with that and then try to imply that correlation does in fact equal causation.

You think I'm saying that same-sex unions are causing the downfall of America? No.

You really can't figure out what I said back there? 

[Ron]

There are a few problems with your question.

"Genocide" has racial or nationalistic overtones, and anti-abortion advocates aren't usually making that charge. Unless we are. Regardless what anyone calls it, though, facts is facts. We might ask you, why are you still talking about this as if it were hypothetical?

It was I who used the term "genocidal level horrors". I didn't call abortion genocide.

The point wasn't to say abortion was genocide but that the horrors of abortion are comparable.

Making that distinction in my response would have been appropriate I guess.

[charby]

For the folks who want a Christian nation, what about the Americans that Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Atheists, Pagans, Spiritualists, etc?

[Ron]

For the folks who want a Christian nation, what about the Americans that Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Atheists, Pagans, Spiritualists, etc?

Nice strawman you have there. 

[charby]

Nice strawman you have there. 

It's not, but think what you want. Not every American is Christian or wants to be.

[RoadKingLarry]

 

This is getting good.

[just Warren]

How apt is it that a thread on the recent Republican presidential campaign has turned into an abortion debate?

[Ron]

We better elect a socialist/statist so we can keep aborting babies.

[roo_ster]

For the folks who want a Christian nation, what about the Americans that Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Atheists, Pagans, Spiritualists, etc?

There have been no decent countries founded or run by those you list(1).  Only various savageries, varieties of despotism, and multiethnic empires devoid of the blessings of liberty as America's founders knew them.  Give any of them too much purchase and we will see liberty and decency diminished as their alien beliefs and urges find expression in hte larger culture.  As has occurred these past 100 years or so.  They can be tolerated, as small minorities, in a majority Christian nation while maintaining liberty for all. 

Derbyshire pretty much nails it:
"In a civilized modern society, majorities owe a debt of tolerance to harmless minorities. But minorities also owe something to the majority: a decent respect for its tastes and opinions, and careful restraint in challenging them."
----John Derbyshire

Minorities that break that compact deserve to be gone after, hammer & tongs, until they leave or they reverse their cranio-rectal inversion.




(1) Israel in 1948 was founded as an outpost of Western Civilization in the midst of the Arabs.  Almost all the founding notions of Israel, save the emphasis on Jewish ethnicity, come from the culture of the West, not Rabbinic Jewish culture and not from Biblical Jewish state tradition.  Oddly enough, Israelis allow no other ethnicity or religion to gain power over the Jewish majority.

[roo_ster]

How apt is it that a thread on the recent Republican presidential campaign has turned into an abortion debate?

Not sure why, since none of those with a chance to win the GOP primary are going to do anything about it. 

Socons ought have no confidence that voting for any of the GOP candidates will advance any socon issue.  And anyone not of socially conservative predilections ought have no fear that a vote for any of them will result in any diminution of the social decay they so cherish.

The only possible exception is Trump, who has made noise about religious liberty and may be idiosyncratic enough to act on it if elected so the pseudomarried can no longer insist Christian bakers bake them pseudowedding cakes.  (No worries about Muslim bakers, as the pseudomarried want to rub Christian faces in ordure, not get killed by excitable Muslims.)

[MechAg94]

Trump will talk about whatever gets him support which is what he has done in this campaign.  I am sure he will continue to do so if elected.  I am not sure what he will actually do.  Probably some good, some bad. 

[Perd Hapley]

For the folks who want a Christian nation, what about the Americans that Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Atheists, Pagans, Spiritualists, etc?

You're saying that non-Christians want to murder babies, and don't know how to marriage? That's pretty offensive, and narrow-minded.

[Scout26]

So here's the Post where Scoutr 26 pisses everyone off.

I picked Rubio because I could be neighbors with that guy and enjoy it.

That's the stupidest *expletive deleted*ing reason I've ever heard to vote for someone.   I think it would an absolute hoot to live next door to Joe Biden.  But holy *expletive deleted*it would he be a disaster as president.   My current neighbors are great people, they have the keys to my house, they help me out and I help them out.  However, I wouldn't vote for them to be dogcatcher, much less have the codes to nuclear football.   If that's your criteria for choosing a candidate, please stay home on election day.  Or at least bring your minder with you and have him pick...you know, the one that not a member of a church or sock monkey club.



Regarding Gay Marriage.

Roo_ster, please tell me exactly actions what the next president can take to end or stop Gay Marriage that passes Constitutional muster?  

Yeah.  I thought so.  Sorry, but that battle has been fought and lost.  The enemy has taken that hill.  The only hope is to NOT let the progressives choose the next battlefield.  If you are always on the defense, you lose.  For both the abortion and marriage (and other socon issues) look to the CCW/2A  model on how to fight and win.  Sorry, it's going to have be done a little at a time.  We're already seeing that with abortion (which how does PP get $500+ million in taxes dollars when there's the Hyde amendment?)  Pick a corner, nibble away at it.  Pick another bit, another nibble.  How do you eat an Elephant?  One bite at a time.   Sorry, I don't see a way to hit a home run here.

Christianity- Sorry, but each society needs some moral underpinning.  Without that laws just become suggestions.   And this country was founded upon Jude-Christian principles and beliefs.  Read the works of the Founders, they pray for His guidance and wisdom.   Look at what happened in the to Rome when it's moral and legal underpinnings fell away, it was easily swept under by barbarians.  Same with the Greeks, and just about every other empire.  Without it, you end up with communism, where words are twisted and perverted and human life is less than cheap.   That's my opinion, the resident Theist of wretch hive of scum and villainy.



I back Cruz because he shares the same beliefs, that we need to get this government back under the control of the Constitution.  I think that he will reduce its size and scope and unshackle the economy from this out of control government.  That he will restrain an imperial bureaucracy and begin the process of dismantling it.  I think Trump will sell us out faster then McConnell and Ryan did.  I also think that Rubio is another Ryan.  And will sell out faster then Trump.

I also believe that if we don't recreate Reagan's Grand Coalition of Fiscons and Socons, then all will do is eat or young and half of the base will sit home and Hello President Sanders.    We need both.  And I can't believe that people here are too *expletive deleted*ing stupid to see that fundamental fact.   Because if we don't, then what was it AJ said "I'd rather die of old age in my bed, then in the alley with an AR-15 in my hands."


And there should be a flip bird smilie or two in there somewhere.


Scout_rant over.