Author Topic: Trump's Qualifications (Read 11121 times)

grampster · « **on:** March 17, 2016, 09:33:47 AM »

Let’s check out Trump's presidential qualifications...

The Obama is against Trump... Check
The Media is against Trump... Check
The establishment Democrats are against Trump... Check
The establishment Republicans are against Trump... Check
The Pope is against Trump... Check
The UN is against Trump... Check
The EU is against Trump... Check
China is against Trump... Check
Mexico is against Trump... Check
Soros is against Trump... Check
BlackLivesMatter is against Trump... Check
MoveOn.Org is against Trump... Check
Koch Bro's are against Trump... Check
Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump.. Check

Bonus points!!!
Cher says she will leave the country... Check
Miley Cyrus says she will leave the country... Check
Whoopi says she will leave the country... Check
Rosi says she will leave the country... Check
Sharpton says he will leave the country... Check
Gov. Brown says California will build a wall... Check

What's not to like??

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:06:34 AM »

HeroHog · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:45:26 AM »

Quote from: grampster on March 17, 2016, 09:33:47 AM

Let’s check out Trump's presidential qualifications...

The Obama is against Trump... Check
The Media is against Trump... Check
The establishment Democrats are against Trump... Check
The establishment Republicans are against Trump... Check
The Pope is against Trump... Check
The UN is against Trump... Check
The EU is against Trump... Check
China is against Trump... Check
Mexico is against Trump... Check
Soros is against Trump... Check
BlackLivesMatter is against Trump... Check
MoveOn.Org is against Trump... Check
Koch Bro's are against Trump... Check
Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump.. Check

Bonus points!!!
Cher says she will leave the country... Check
Miley Cyrus says she will leave the country... Check
Whoopi says she will leave the country... Check
Rosi says she will leave the country... Check
Sharpton says he will leave the country... Check
Gov. Brown says California will build a wall... Check

What's not to like??

Stealing this!

RevDisk · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2016, 11:47:28 AM »

Wait, isn't Trump a hateful, racist, violent Liberal? Or are we supposed to ignore everything he's ever done or said, and focus on today's comments alone?

MechAg94 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2016, 12:17:48 PM »

To be honest, most of those people would be against Trump or Cruz or even the establishment Republicans.

freakazoid · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2016, 12:27:00 PM »

I thought the Koch brothers were libertarian?

Blakenzy · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2016, 12:41:44 PM »

This is true. Trump's best endorsements are those who are against him. It's beautifully poetic.

brimic · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2016, 12:43:54 PM »

Quote from: RevDisk on March 17, 2016, 11:47:28 AM

Wait, isn't Trump a hateful, racist, violent Liberal? Or are we supposed to ignore everything he's ever done or said, and focus on today's comments alone?

Both, depending on one's mood...

Pb · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2016, 12:57:04 PM »

I hate Trump because he tried to use the gov to seize an old woman's house to give to him (eminent domain).

I hate him because he has contempt for 4th amendment rights (warrant less wiretapping).

I hate Trump because he wants to loosen libel laws so he can sue people who say bad things about him.

I hate Trump because he has given enormous amounts of money to freedom hating politicians like Hillary, Rahm, Schumer etc.

I hate Trump because he constantly uses third grade insults publicly against people who disagree with him (Carson, Cruz, Fiorna).

Boomhauer · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2016, 01:00:03 PM »

Quote from: BTR on March 17, 2016, 12:57:04 PM

I hate Trump because he tried to use the gov to seize an old woman's house to give to him (eminent domain).

I hate him because he has contempt for 4th amendment rights (warrant less wiretapping).

I hate Trump because he wants to loosen libel laws so he can sue people who say bad things about him.

I hate Trump because he has given enormous amounts of money to freedom hating politicians like Hillary, Rahm, Schumer etc.

I hate Trump because he constantly uses third grade insults publicly against people who disagree with him (Carson, Cruz, Fiorna).

This. *expletive deleted*ck that worthless liberal shitstain

MechAg94 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2016, 01:43:15 PM »

Quote from: freakazoid on March 17, 2016, 12:27:00 PM

I thought the Koch brothers were libertarian?

Do the Koch brothers even fit in with the rest of that group? Are they part of the illuminati or something?

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2016, 02:32:43 PM »

Quote from: BTR on March 17, 2016, 12:57:04 PM

I hate Trump because he tried to use the gov to seize an old woman's house to give to him (eminent domain).

I hate him because he has contempt for 4th amendment rights (warrant less wiretapping).

I hate Trump because he wants to loosen libel laws so he can sue people who say bad things about him.

I hate Trump because he has given enormous amounts of money to freedom hating politicians like Hillary, Rahm, Schumer etc.

I hate Trump because he constantly uses third grade insults publicly against people who disagree with him (Carson, Cruz, Fiorna).

That's just a partial list

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Marnoot · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2016, 02:42:06 PM »

What BTR said. I don't care who's against him, I care about what kind of leader he's likely to be and what kinds of things he'll do in office. His past history says he will be a childish, narcissistic, power-hungry statist. Pass. He's wielded the government on his own behalf every time he's found it in his pocket, and not for causes I think anyone here agrees with.

I don't care if Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot all rise from the grave to speak out against him, I'm not willing to vote for the dude. Not voting for Hillary either, obviously, but I honestly can't say Trump would be any better for the country than Hillary; in some ways I think he'd be worse. Kind of like choosing to vote in Stalin or Hitler; I'll abstain. "But if you don't vote for Hitler, Stalin will win!" And?

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2016, 03:13:34 PM »

Quote from: Marnoot on March 17, 2016, 02:42:06 PM

What BTR said. I don't care who's against him, I care about what kind of leader he's likely to be and what kinds of things he'll do in office. His past history says he will be a childish, narcissistic, power-hungry statist. Pass. He's wielded the government on his own behalf every time he's found it in his pocket, and not for causes I think anyone here agrees with.

I don't care if Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot all rise from the grave to speak out against him, I'm not willing to vote for the dude. Not voting for Hillary either, obviously, but I honestly can't say Trump would be any better for the country than Hillary; in some ways I think he'd be worse. Kind of like choosing to vote in Stalin or Hitler; I'll abstain. "But if you don't vote for Hitler, Stalin will win!" And?

Hitler offered better uniforms.

Whatever one's view of Trump, the OP illustrates how he arrived at the present juncture. The more people tore him down, the more other people liked him.

brimic · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2016, 03:24:03 PM »

Quote from: Marnoot on March 17, 2016, 02:42:06 PM

What BTR said. I don't care who's against him, I care about what kind of leader he's likely to be and what kinds of things he'll do in office. His past history says he will be a childish, narcissistic, power-hungry statist. Pass. He's wielded the government on his own behalf every time he's found it in his pocket, and not for causes I think anyone here agrees with.

I don't care if Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot all rise from the grave to speak out against him, I'm not willing to vote for the dude. Not voting for Hillary either, obviously, but I honestly can't say Trump would be any better for the country than Hillary; in some ways I think he'd be worse. Kind of like choosing to vote in Stalin or Hitler; I'll abstain. "But if you don't vote for Hitler, Stalin will win!" And?

I think I've heard it on Limbaugh or somewhere several times in the past- you don't win elections by being 'the vote against someone else.' Trump is both the vote against the democrats and a vote against establishment republicans, which makes him a doubleplusnotgood candidate. He's a frankenstein monster that kicks clueless *let's not go there* rinos in the balls, but in the end, he's still a frankenstein monster.

Ron · « **Reply #15 on:** March 17, 2016, 03:35:11 PM »

This primary is null and void due to Godwins Law.

Let's just not replace politicians at all once their terms expire.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 17, 2016, 03:55:07 PM »

Quote from: Marnoot on March 17, 2016, 02:42:06 PM

What BTR said. I don't care who's against him, I care about what kind of leader he's likely to be and what kinds of things he'll do in office. His past history says he will be a childish, narcissistic, power-hungry statist. Pass. He's wielded the government on his own behalf every time he's found it in his pocket, and not for causes I think anyone here agrees with.

I don't care if Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot all rise from the grave to speak out against him, I'm not willing to vote for the dude. Not voting for Hillary either, obviously, but I honestly can't say Trump would be any better for the country than Hillary; in some ways I think he'd be worse. Kind of like choosing to vote in Stalin or Hitler; I'll abstain. "But if you don't vote for Hitler, Stalin will win!" And?

Well, Stalin killed more people total, but I am not sure how it adds up on a per year basis.

Which one invaded more countries? I am tempted to give Hitler the nod, but I am not so sure.

Marnoot · « **Reply #17 on:** March 17, 2016, 03:56:57 PM »

I tire of the exclamations of "Godwin's law!!!!!one!111eleventy" anytime "Hitler" appears in a conversation. Sometimes using Hitler or Stalin in a metaphor is simply the most communicative way to illustrate one's point. In this case it was a very clear "bad" vs "also bad" metaphor. In no way was an "Trump is as bad as Hitler" comparison implied. Reductio ad Hitlerum would be more like me claiming that Trump is bad because he did/wants to do something Hitler did/wanted to do. Or "You know who else did _____? Hitler!"

If you prefer, here is a Hitler(though, unfortunately not Hillary)-free rendering:

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I don't care if [well known extreme statists, gun grabbers, communists, and SJWs] rise from the [grave, recliner, or other place of rest] to speak out against him, I'm not willing to vote for the dude. Not voting for Hillary either, obviously, but I honestly can't say Trump would be any better for the country than Hillary; in some ways I think he'd be worse. Kind of like choosing [between steamed bear scat and poached dog feces for dinner]; I'll abstain. "But if you don't [choose the feces they'll serve the scat]!" And?

brimic · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2016, 04:21:59 PM »

Quote from: Marnoot on March 17, 2016, 03:56:57 PM

I tire of the exclamations of "Godwin's law!!!!!one!111eleventy" anytime "Hitler" appears in a conversation. Sometimes using Hitler or Stalin in a metaphor is simply the most communicative way to illustrate one's point. In this case it was a very clear "bad" vs "also bad" metaphor. In no way was an "Trump is as bad as Hitler" comparison implied. Reductio ad Hitlerum would be more like me claiming that Trump is bad because he did/wants to do something Hitler did/wanted to do. Or "You know who else did _____? Hitler!"

Me too. 'godwin's law' is not only a stupid meme to meant to shut down otherwise unassailable points (especially when the points are to point out the flaws in socialism), but its also a logical fallacy most of the time.

Ron · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2016, 04:33:44 PM »

The use of the Nazi/Hitler comparison regarding Trump is over the top.

Considering the USA is already well on the way to being a fascist state it shouldn't surprise us that so many of our politicians are little Hitlers.

Go ahead and keep using the analogy if you want. I just think it conveys way less actual information about the subject at hand than most folks who use it think it does.

Any real information is lost in the noise of "Hitler/Nazis=Bad!!!!"

brimic · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2016, 05:16:56 PM »

Quote from: Ron on March 17, 2016, 04:33:44 PM

The use of the Nazi/Hitler comparison regarding Trump is over the top.

Considering the USA is already well on the way to being a fascist state it shouldn't surprise us that so many of our politicians are little Hitlers.

Go ahead and keep using the analogy if you want. I just think it conveys way less actual information about the subject at hand than most folks who use it think it does.

Any real information is lost in the noise of "Hitler/Nazis=Bad!!!!"

Meh, the Nazi/Hitler comparison would have been over the top when applied to Hitler in 1933 as well....

Marnoot · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2016, 05:41:27 PM »

Again, I wasn't comparing Trump to Hitler, the metaphor was about the choice between candidates, not about the candidates themselves.

Quote from: Ron on March 17, 2016, 04:33:44 PM

Any real information is lost in the noise of "Hitler/Nazis=Bad!!!!"

I don't think it's that noisy, I think it's just a convenient handle to grab onto when one disagrees with the author of a post that uttered the H word. It lets you attack the metaphor instead of the point of the metaphor. Reason enough for me to try to avoid using it in the future, I suppose, but in reality it doesn't change anything. Some other fallacy will be selected. I have yet to see anyone on here respond to the criticisms of Trump's past (and present) actions and words. They just repeat the "But look how many liberals hate him! Look how much the establishment hates him!" argument.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2016, 05:56:26 PM »

from Facebook
He has stated he would attack civilian targets to “take away their (ISIS’s) wealth”. In one sentence, a candidate for President of the United States publicly used the same rationale as the stated perpetrators of the September 11th attacks.
Simultaneously, he stated he would wage war to take natural resources from an occupied country, a violation of international law.
He supports the government’s domestic spying program.
He promised a return to a militarized domestic police force to target citizens.
He has advocated the use of torture and “worse”.
He’s promised a “deportation force” to round up 11 million people and ship them off. He’s never explained what happens to their children, who may be US citizens by birth.
He wants to be able to punish those who criticize him.
He would force specific companies to manufacture in the United States, even though he has no power to do so.
He proposed a “one-time tax” in which the government simply levies money from whoever it chooses, starting with the rich.
He said “I happen to agree with it 100 percent,” when speaking of using eminent domain to seize land from private citizens.
He promised to murder the families of suspected terrorists.
He expressed the desire to execute US citizens who resist government tyranny by peace or by force.

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Perd Hapley · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2016, 06:12:02 PM »

I'm not a Trump supporter, and most of that list seems pretty bad, but a few of the points mislead.

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Simultaneously, he stated he would wage war to take natural resources from an occupied country, a violation of international law.

I assume that refers to Trump's statements about how we should have been rewarded with Iraqi oil, when we toppled the Hussein regime. That is much different from saying that we should go to war with a country simply to take their stuff.

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He has advocated the use of torture and “worse”.

Nothing misleading about this one. It's just that it doesn't make sense to rule out all torture altogether, unless one also rules out ever harming an enemy, for any reason. There's a case to be made for torture, in very specific circumstances. Being entirely opposed to torture is actually hard to justify, rationally.

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He’s promised a “deportation force” to round up 11 million people and ship them off. He’s never explained what happens to their children, who may be US citizens by birth.

Trump can't be blamed for the fact that children suffer when their parents break the law.

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He would force specific companies to manufacture in the United States, even though he has no power to do so.

OK, but most politicians in America seem to promise this. Doesn't make it right. Just sayin'

agricola · « **Reply #24 on:** March 17, 2016, 06:49:07 PM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 17, 2016, 05:56:26 PM

from Facebook
He has stated he would attack civilian targets to “take away their (ISIS’s) wealth”. In one sentence, a candidate for President of the United States publicly used the same rationale as the stated perpetrators of the September 11th attacks.
Simultaneously, he stated he would wage war to take natural resources from an occupied country, a violation of international law.

These two are a bit daft. The first one has been (and remains) a staple of war policy for everyone, we just pretend that they are somehow enemy combatants / collateral damage now.

The second is something that your country, mine, and most of the others was built on.

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Author Topic: Trump's Qualifications (Read 11121 times)