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5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« on: April 13, 2016, 01:12:26 PM »
I like this guy.  "Experiments with Substance N were discontinued because the Nazis decided it was too dangerous to work with."

From the youtube description: They explode when you touch them. Even a millionth of a gram can kill you. They can even disable you with their horrifying smell. SciShow introduces you to give of the most dangerous chemicals in the world.

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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 01:39:05 PM »
adively, I think you will like this short Sci-fi story:

A Tall Tail

by Charles Stross

http://www.tor.com/2012/07/20/a-tall-tail/

It is one of my favorite, and fits perfectly with the video!

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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 01:45:32 PM »
Thioacetone. LOL
Many years ago, I had a product that required a transfer of thioethanol to a reactor via stainless hose. One day, one of the plant operators spilled a drop or two of it while disconnecting a line on an empty tank, and someone about a 1/2 mile away called the gas company and fire department.  :rofl:
Yes this stuff stunk that bad. I can imagine the ketone might smell a bit worse.
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2016, 01:48:27 PM »
My favorite line from that clip, "the concrete was on fire!"
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 01:49:06 PM »
Read the wikipedia entry on thioacetone.

It's quite amusing in a very droll sense. :D
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2016, 01:50:12 PM »
"Experiments with Substance N were discontinued because the Nazis decided it was too dangerous to work with."

So, it's the crap they give kids to make them Feel the Bern?
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2016, 01:58:27 PM »
This was posted some time ago.  Funny then too. :)

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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2016, 02:01:50 PM »
Read the wikipedia entry on thioacetone.

It's quite amusing in a very droll sense. :D


Read the one on Chlorine Trifluoride..

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_trifluoride

One of my undergrad profs (now deceased) did a lot of fluorine chemistry research- he even had the one of the common characteristics of a fluorine chemist- several fingers missing.
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2016, 09:36:39 PM »
I love that video.  I probably watch it once every few months.  It just cracks me up.  Hank's a smart guy and can cover any topic given time to research it, but chemistry is his bag and it shows in that video. My favorite line is something along the lines of "and it's way more reactive than even flourine gas which anybody with a degree in chemistry will tell you is not something you get to say very often" -- he can hardly not giggle while delivering it.

I highly recommend his chemistry series in Crash Course (also a Youtube thing with his brother John) if you want to brush up on chemistry.  It's good stuff. 

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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2016, 04:42:00 AM »
Read the one on Chlorine Trifluoride..
   :rofl:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_trifluoride

One of the other quips I've heard about CFl3 is that the best piece of safety equipment for dealing with a large spill of it is "a good pair of running shoes".

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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2016, 07:10:39 AM »
One of the other quips I've heard about CFl3 is that the best piece of safety equipment for dealing with a large spill of it is "a good pair of running shoes".

On a fun note, at the jobsite of my 1st job, Aldrich Chemical, they had a little incident in the packaging warehouse involving a large cylinder of sulphur trioxide, which is basically gaseous, anhydroys sulphuric acid. The fuse plug melted on the cylinder, releasingthe entire cylinder, which combined with moisture in the air to form HOT concentrated sulphuric, which rained down and destriyed everything made of paper and metal in the warehouse.

Then there was the time when the metals storage room and the pyrophorics storage room went up in the Boranes lab building where I worked. It was probably started by something less than stabile- likea flask of methyl aluminum distillates ir pot residues, or a derelict flask of triethyl arsenate- I heard it was a pretty fire (happened on 3rd shift) with cylinders of of various organo-lithium cylinders rocketing out of the building streaming red flames. The heat generated in that room set off the sprinklers in the metals storage room, with fantastic results- a couple hundred kilos if sodium, potassium, lithium, and hydrides of each were stored there.
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2016, 09:09:10 AM »
On a fun note, at the jobsite of my 1st job, Aldrich Chemical, they had a little incident in the packaging warehouse involving a large cylinder of sulphur trioxide, which is basically gaseous, anhydroys sulphuric acid. The fuse plug melted on the cylinder, releasingthe entire cylinder, which combined with moisture in the air to form HOT concentrated sulphuric, which rained down and destriyed everything made of paper and metal in the warehouse.

Then there was the time when the metals storage room and the pyrophorics storage room went up in the Boranes lab building where I worked. It was probably started by something less than stabile- likea flask of methyl aluminum distillates ir pot residues, or a derelict flask of triethyl arsenate- I heard it was a pretty fire (happened on 3rd shift) with cylinders of of various organo-lithium cylinders rocketing out of the building streaming red flames. The heat generated in that room set off the sprinklers in the metals storage room, with fantastic results- a couple hundred kilos if sodium, potassium, lithium, and hydrides of each were stored there.

Were any of the buildings still standing after all that?
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2016, 09:17:14 AM »
Hey brimic, when I was an IT contractor back in the 90's at St. Lukes, a large hospital complex in the Milwaukee metro, one of the new guys from my company who got assigned to us, his last assignment was Aldrich Chemical.

He was shadowing me for the first two weeks to learn the layout of the hospital, which IT systems and assets were our responsibility etc. and walking down a hall, he tripped and stumbled, and there was a weird ripping sound.

Both the soles of his shoes decided to detach from the rest of the shoe, and stick to the floor and he walked out of them as his shoes disintegrated. He said they were about a month old. He'd gone through roughly a dozen pair of shoes while he'd worked there.  :laugh:
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2016, 10:24:19 AM »
Were any of the buildings still standing after all that?

They simply remodeled and rebuilt- they had insurance. The buildings werent that expensive, it was mostly the cleanup and waste disposal that got really spendy- especially when they had to hire a firm that used robots to pick up cylinders, carry them into a temporary bunker, then drill holes in them and allow them to burn off- hundreds of cylinders...
Then theres the time when one of our 3rd shift chemists *expletive deleted*ed up epicly, and blew the roof off the lab I worked in, because he didn'follow the well thought out and imminently important procedures
While running a reaction setup that we called the 'diborane generator.' Miraculously he lived ( mainly because he instantly knew he *expletive deleted*ed up bad and started to run), minus a percentage of his skin somewhere in the teens.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diborane
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2016, 10:31:41 AM »
the dude's voice is toxic!  If that does not make your gag reflex kick in, his delivery style will.    lol     

Hard to listen to but golly, what a fascinating subject.

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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2016, 11:20:03 AM »
Kinda-sorta related? Working in the Chemical Engineering department in college with an office in the big lab and being responsible for the departments inventory was kinda cool. In one storage closet, there was this oddly placed, rusty ~ 6" x 12" oddly capped pipe sticking out of the floor. It had been there for YEARS and when I came on board I got to looking at it and said I didn't think it was a pipe. My boss said, "It's a pipe. It's been there since I was hired (WAY back). Try to move it!" So I did try. I couldn't really budge it with my hands but thought I MIGHT have moved it a LITTLE so I sat on the floor, anchored myself and used my foot and shoved... It moved! It was a steel cylinder FULL of Mercury! God only knows how much it weighed!
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2016, 04:33:59 PM »

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride

FOOF is absolutely the best. And apparently someone was insane enough to see what happens when you mix FOOF and ClF3. I like to think of myself as a mad engineer at times, but that statement is enough to make me cringe.

More stuff on chlorine trifluoride.
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time

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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2016, 05:01:41 PM »


If you can, get your hands on Ignite!
http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/ignition.pdf

It's a book by John Clark on early rocket engineering. It's probably the most gripping book on chemical engineering I've ever read. I used more profanity than your average Quentin Tarantino movie while reading it. It literally read like highly educated insane asylum members were given substantial budgets.

I think I may have read that one- it was either that one or something very similar about rocket fuel pioneers on the bookshelf at my first job.
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2016, 06:54:57 PM »
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride

FOOF is absolutely the best. And apparently someone was insane enough to see what happens when you mix FOOF and ClF3. I like to think of myself as a mad engineer at times, but that statement is enough to make me cringe.

More stuff on chlorine trifluoride.
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time

Some of the things the dude in the video are lifted word for word from that blog...and the blog goes uncredited.

I hate "X things that Y" buzzfeed like things, and I hate them more when they outright steal content with zero credit.

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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2016, 08:52:20 PM »
Some of the things the dude in the video are lifted word for word from that blog...and the blog goes uncredited.

I hate "X things that Y" buzzfeed like things, and I hate them more when they outright steal content with zero credit.

I highly suspect that is indeed the case.
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2016, 10:54:59 AM »
If you expand the description on the video it has quite a detailed list of source links:

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Sources:
http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/things_i_wont_work_with/
http://web.archive.org/web/20060318221608/http://www.airproducts.com/nr/rdonlyres/8479ed55-2170-4651-a3d4-223b2957a9f3/0/safetygram39.pdf
http://www.bunkertours.co.uk/germany_2004.htm
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/anie.201100300/abstract
http://www2.chemistry.msu.edu/courses/CEM958/10-11/talks/Spahlinger.pdf
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/csem.asp?csem=6&po=12
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=MSDOAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA3-PA6&lpg=RA3-PA6&dq=smell+thioacetone&source=bl&ots=X0UH-GWpAa&sig=5wmkE-x9ZTWlWq5mCb6aQ9Argvw&hl=en&ei=14IoSoXQAtuptgeX0-jWBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y
http://www.ebah.com.br/content/ABAAAe2O8AA/clayden-greeves-organic-chemistry
https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Thiol.html
http://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cgi?ID=C4756052&Mask=8
http://www.psc.edu/science/Klein2000/getting_jump_on_superacids.pdf
http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/08/the-worlds-strongest-acids.html
http://science.howstuffworks.com/acid-info.htm
http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2013/01/09/things_i_wont_work_with_azidoazide_azides_more_or_less.php
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/anie.201100300/abstract
http://web.archive.org/web/20060318221608/http://www.airproducts.com/nr/rdonlyres/8479ed55-2170-4651-a3d4-223b2957a9f3/0/safetygram39.pdf
http://www.purdue.edu/ehps/rem/hmm/pyro.htm

The only things I saw in that blog that were similar to the video were in turn quoted from somewhere else. I would wager the same quotes could be found in the list of sources in the video description.

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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2016, 03:41:24 PM »

http://web.archive.org/web/20060318221608/http://www.airproducts.com/nr/rdonlyres/8479ed55-2170-4651-a3d4-223b2957a9f3/0/safetygram39.pdf

Air Products is a local company and I know some folks there. I did giggle quite a bit through that Safetygram. They're actually known for making very good, well written Safetygrams, actually.

In the unlikely event of a large liquid spill, evacuate the area and immediately contact the Air Products Emergency Response System.
Do not attempt any remediation!
Warning: Any attempt to neutralize a liquid spill may result in an explosion.

Along with pictures of CIF3 burning through chickens (rather than testing engineers).
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2016, 06:07:33 PM »
In the unlikely event of a large liquid spill, evacuate the area and immediately contact the Air Products Emergency Response System.
Do not attempt any remediation!
Warning: Any attempt to neutralize a liquid spill may result in an explosion.

Sounds more like they meant "in the unlikely event you're alive to try to do anything about a liquid spill..."

Stuff sounds awesome.  They should sell it in one-pound cylinders at WalMart.  Darwin would make real progress...and Tannerite would be out of business if we could shoot up a can of ClF3 in the pasture.

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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2016, 11:47:39 AM »
Every now and then the bomb squad would come out to my employer and haul off some old chemicals which "may" have started to age and form explosive peroxides.

Not being a chemist, the closest I ever personally got to hazardous materials on the job was the gas mixture for KrF excimer lasers.

As a youngster, I played with things like nitrogen tri-iodide . . . my knowledge of which did not amuse my high school chemistry teacher.  >:D
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Re: 5 of the World's Most Dangerous Chemicals
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2016, 01:04:09 PM »
Every now and then the bomb squad would come out to my employer and haul off some old chemicals which "may" have started to age and form explosive peroxides.


Diethyl ether is notorious for that- under the right conditions- stored in a glass, especially clear bottle, and have some headspace that isn't an inert gas. Usually O2 is needed along with UV radiation to form peroxides.
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