We'll show you!

[White Horseradish]

A "very real chance"? "Happens all the time?" What's the percentage on that? How many have been murdered in this country, in the past 30 years after being outed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people

I'm sure this is a very incomplete list. You can google for more.

And then you'd have us a believe that, when a woman (or a pseudo-woman) is found to be using a men's room stall, they are going to be beaten up by police or security, or something? Why would you expect that to happen?

Read what I said.  When they use a men's room they are likely to be beaten by some random guy.

They are likely to get beaten by police and hauled off to jail if they use the womens room. Because that's what they do when they think it might be a TG. Like this:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/north-carolina-woman-kicked-out-of-ladies-bathroom-by-police-after-being-mistaken-for-transgender/

[White Horseradish]

Seems to me the SJWs would be screaming about tranny murders instead of bathrooms if this were the case.

They are.

http://www.thetaskforce.org/stop-trans-murders/

[makattak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people

I'm sure this is a very incomplete list. You can google for more.

Ok... and, in response:

http://chamspage.blogspot.com/2014/12/2015-baltimore-city-homicidesmurders.html

Seems to me it's more dangerous to live in Baltimore than to be "transgender."

Yes, some people are killed for being "transgender". Some people are also killed just for being white. Or black. Additionally, in my brief perusal of that list, I note a number of them were killed by sexual partners, not just some random individual on the street.

Read what I said.  When they use a men's room they are likely to be beaten by some random guy.

They are likely to get beaten by police and hauled off to jail if they use the womens room. Because that's what they do when they think it might be a TG. Like this:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/north-carolina-woman-kicked-out-of-ladies-bathroom-by-police-after-being-mistaken-for-transgender/

Likely? As in this happens all the time, or you just keep posting the same story?

[Hawkmoon]

This discussion has made me realize that I misjudged Bruce "Kaitlyn" Jenner. I thought he/she/it had undergone gender reassignment surgery. I learned yesterday that he/she/it has had his/her/its birth certificate changed, but has NOT had the surgery.

Which eliminates any lingering respect I might have once held for him/her/it. Now he/she/it is IMHO just a fraud.

I am also upset that anyone who still has male parts can get a birth certificate changed to indicate female.

[roo_ster]

A "very real chance"? "Happens all the time?" What's the percentage on that? How many have been murdered in this country, in the past 30 years after being outed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people

I'm sure this is a very incomplete list. You can google for more.
 Read what I said.  When they use a men's room they are likely to be beaten by some random guy.

They are likely to get beaten by police and hauled off to jail if they use the womens room. Because that's what they do when they think it might be a TG. Like this:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/north-carolina-woman-kicked-out-of-ladies-bathroom-by-police-after-being-mistaken-for-transgender/

You sure you want to use that source?
=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people

1988 — Venus Xtravaganza was strangled to death in New York City on 21 December. Her body was found four days later, shoved under a hotel bed.[2]

Because non-trans prostitutes never meet grisly ends.

1998 — Rita Hester, a transgender woman, was found on the floor of her apartment in Allston, Massachusetts on November 28. She had suffered multiple stab wounds and later died at the hospital.[5]

Because non-trans prostitutes never meet grisly ends.

1993 — Brandon Teena, a 21-year-old trans man, was raped and murdered in Falls City, Nebraska on December 31.[4] Two men were convicted of first-degree murder in the incident, which became the subject of the Academy Award-winning film Boys Don't Cry.[4]

Well, yes, writing hot checks with your girlfriend and hanging out with violent ex-convicts is risky behavior.


So...three out of the first four listed engaged in criminal activity and/or willingly associated with known violent felons.  (Not sure about the fourth.)

Are you sure these folk were killed because they tried to use the wrong bathroom?  Might not poor life choices be a more likely cause than an hallucinatory lavatory lynch mob?

[Angel Eyes]

They are likely to get beaten by police and hauled off to jail if they use the womens room. Because that's what they do when they think it might be a TG. Like this:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/north-carolina-woman-kicked-out-of-ladies-bathroom-by-police-after-being-mistaken-for-transgender/

"worldnewsdailyreport.com" is not a real news source.  They're tabloid like Weekly World News or the National Enquirer.

http://www.snopes.com/tag/world-news-daily-report/

Don't miss their stories on the American POW held by North Korea since 1950:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/north-korea-last-american-prisoner-from-the-korean-war-to-be-released-from-forced-labor-camp/

... or how scientists have created a T-Rex embryo:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/scientists-successfully-recreate-tyrannosaurus-rex-embryo-from-chicken-dna/

[KD5NRH]

They are likely to get beaten by police and hauled off to jail if they use the womens room. Because that's what they do when they think it might be a TG. Like this:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/north-carolina-woman-kicked-out-of-ladies-bathroom-by-police-after-being-mistaken-for-transgender/

http://www.snopes.com/transgender-bathroom-arrest/

[roo_ster]

"worldnewsdailyreport.com" is not a real news source.  They're tabloid like Weekly World News or the National Enquirer.

http://www.snopes.com/tag/world-news-daily-report/

Don't miss their stories on the American POW held by North Korea since 1950:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/north-korea-last-american-prisoner-from-the-korean-war-to-be-released-from-forced-labor-camp/

... or how scientists have created a T-Rex embryo:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/scientists-successfully-recreate-tyrannosaurus-rex-embryo-from-chicken-dna/

Is that a Trans-Rex embryo?  Because if it is, do I have a short story for Trans-Rexy-You!

If you were a dinosaur, my love, then you would be a T-Rex. You’d be a small one, only five feet, ten inches, the same height as human-you. You’d be fragile-boned and you’d walk with as delicate and polite a gait as you could manage on massive talons. Your eyes would gaze gently from beneath your bony brow-ridge.

If you were a T-Rex, then I would become a zookeeper so that I could spend all my time with you. I’d bring you raw chickens and live goats. I’d watch the gore shining on your teeth. I’d make my bed on the floor of your cage, in the moist dirt, cushioned by leaves. When you couldn’t sleep, I’d sing you lullabies.

If I sang you lullabies, I’d soon notice how quickly you picked up music. You’d harmonize with me, your rough, vibrating voice a strange counterpoint to mine. When you thought I was asleep, you’d cry unrequited love songs into the night.

If you sang unrequited love songs, I’d take you on tour. We’d go to Broadway. You’d stand onstage, talons digging into the floorboards. Audiences would weep at the melancholic beauty of your singing...

More at the link.  Don't miss it.  We must stop the horror of trans-saurian repression.


[Just imagine the squirrel is a trans-dinosaur.]

[roo_ster]

http://www.snopes.com/transgender-bathroom-arrest/

[Rick_Perry]Oops![/Rick_Perry]

[zxcvbob]

The WND fake story looks very similar to one I read about a very butch woman being hauled out of a women's bathroom and ejected by restaurant/bar bouncers a few years ago (in New Jersey?) but no police were involved in that.  I don't know if that one was true or not, but I'll assume it was; if it was a fake story they did a great job of not over-sensationalizing it.

I suspect WND used that story as inspiration for writing their fake one about N.C.

[White Horseradish]

Seems to me it's more dangerous to live in Baltimore than to be "transgender."

Yes, some people are killed for being "transgender". Some people are also killed just for being white. Or black. Additionally, in my brief perusal of that list, I note a number of them were killed by sexual partners, not just some random individual on the street.

I wouldn't want to have a law forcing people to go to Baltimore, either.

Also, Baltimore is completely irrelevant to this. It being a shitty place to live in no way proves that TG, as a group, are not at a higher than average risk of being killed.

Likely? As in this happens all the time, or you just keep posting the same story?

Here the real one:
http://www.advocate.com/business/2015/06/17/detroit-woman-kicked-out-restaurant-bathroom-looking-man-sues

[roo_ster]

Also, Baltimore is completely irrelevant to this. It being a shitty place to live in no way proves that TG, as a group, are at a higher than average risk of being killed.

Well on that we can agree.  Especially if you control for criminality and risky behavior like prostitution.

[Hawkmoon]

One of the early American pioneers of transgender women is Dr. Renee Richards. Born Richard Raskind, he attended Yale and played on the varsity tennis team. By profession he was an eye doctor. Somewhere along the line, he decided he was really a she, had the surgery, and thereafter became Renee Richards. As Renee, she set out to play tennis professionally, was initially rejected by the WPTA, sued, and eventually won the right to play -- as a woman.

Kudos to Renee. She was honest enough to become a woman when she decided she was a woman. Prancing around in ladies' clothes wasn't enough. She did the deed.

Interestingly, in a recent interview (maybe a couple of years ago) she admitted to two things: (1) In retrospect, she felt that it really wasn't fair for her to have been competing against women as a woman; (2) regarding the gender assignment surgery, she said if she had it to do over -- she wouldn't do it.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Another innocent trans slaughtered for using wrong bathroom!
Oops never mind
http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/125406281-story


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[White Horseradish]

Another innocent trans slaughtered for using wrong bathroom!
Oops never mind
http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/125406281-story

There is absolutely nothing in that article mentioning any guilt. So, yes, an innocent trans woman was killed.

Unless you are saying prostitutes deserve to be killed.  Anybody else you judge unworthy of living?

[Boomhauer]

Unless you are saying prostitutes deserve to be killed.

How else are you gonna snort cocaine off of a dead hooker's ass?

They gots to be dead!

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

There is absolutely nothing in that article mentioning any guilt. So, yes, an innocent trans woman was killed.

Unless you are saying prostitutes deserve to be killed.  Anybody else you judge unworthy of living?

Play dangerous games win prizes of all sorts. And that's the most dangerous game

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[Hawkmoon]

There is absolutely nothing in that article mentioning any guilt. So, yes, an innocent trans woman was killed.

Unless you are saying prostitutes deserve to be killed.  Anybody else you judge unworthy of living?

Detectives believe the victim was assaulted and killed in her hotel room in the early morning hours of Saturday and she may have been engaging in prostitution at the time.

A transvestite/transgender hooker engaging in prostitution could very easily result in a John being quite upset upon discovering that what he had thought was a female was, in fact, a male. Should he/she/it have been murdered? No -- but this incident is hardly in the same class as a TV/TG "female" being assaulted for using the male restroom. Which is what you claim happens "all the time."

[White Horseradish]

Play dangerous games win prizes of all sorts. And that's the most dangerous game

Taking risks is not the same as being guilty.

Also, the reason they take such risks is because having safer jobs is not the easiest thing in the world for them.

A transvestite/transgender hooker engaging in prostitution could very easily result in a John being quite upset upon discovering that what he had thought was a female was, in fact, a male. She he/she/it have been murdered? No -- but this incident is hardly in the same class as a TV/TG "female" being assaulted for using the male restroom. Which is what you claim happens "all the time."

Have you tried, maybe, reading what I actually wrote?

I didn't say they were being assaulted in men's bathrooms, or for using them. Because they don't go there until you force them to.

They do get assaulted, percentage-wise, more so than regular women. Usually, by men.  THAT is what happens all the time. Kind of like this: http://nypost.com/2016/03/31/man-says-brutal-beating-of-transgender-woman-was-blind-fury-cops/

So, if you force them into small confined spaces where men feel insecure as it is, it's very likely it will start happening there.

[makattak]

Taking risks is not the same as being guilty.

Also, the reason they take such risks is because having safer jobs is not the easiest thing in the world for them.

I'm honestly speechless at this wild, unsupported assertion.

[roo_ster]

I'm honestly speechless at this wild, unsupported assertion.

How about this one:

They do get assaulted, percentage-wise, more so than regular women.

1. They (men playing at being women) are not women.  Comparing victim rates with those of women is a grave error.
2. The proper comparison is to men.
3. Men's risk of violence is greater than that of women.

Three of the first four murdered trannies were confirmed criminals and folk who willingly associated with criminals.  Anyone with a lick of common sense would realize that such actions and associations greatly increase the odds of ending up a statistic.

I wonder which verse of Kipling's is more apt for this issue:

"With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things."

OR

"As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;"




Whole poem:

The Gods of the Copybook Headings

AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

[Firethorn]

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/north-carolina-woman-kicked-out-of-ladies-bathroom-by-police-after-being-mistaken-for-transgender/

I guess this answers my questions about enforcement.

Gotta love the Police Department's "It's completely not our fault!" reply:

“If the lady had not refused to come out peacefully of the washroom and explain calmly that she was in fact in her rights to be there, there would not have been an escalation of violence. The woman threatened police officers and that is what made things difficult for her and the agents that intervened” said Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department spokesman, Allan Jones, in a press conference. “She was hysterical and represented a possible threat to our officers who followed all proper procedures in this case,” he adds.

Look, I don't think that the police need to be able to violate every rule of public interaction.  My response to somebody banging on the stall is going to be "give me a minute to pull my pants up!"  Police all too often interpret this as 'resisting' and respond with force, as per the article.

OF *expletive deleted*ing COURSE A WOMAN IS GOING TO BE HYSTERICAL IF YOU PULL HER OUT OF THE RESTROOM WITH HER PANTS DOWN WHEN SHE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF PINCHING A LOAF OFF.

Ever consider, Mr. "Representative", that if your officers had been willing to wait a minute for the lady, man, or whoever, who is safely contained in a stall, to finish their business and come out, there would have been an equal lack of violence?  That I consider an officer standing around for 2 minutes or so for somebody to finish their business is generally less of a deal than the individual finishing their business?

Ever consider that your "procedures" might be wrong in if this sort of thing can occur?  It should cost you a hell of a lot of money.  As an example that being a police officer doesn't exempt you from being polite.

edit:  Okay, that one was a fake.  Poe's law, it's hard to tell when they're realistic enough.

The WND fake story looks very similar to one I read about a very butch woman being hauled out of a women's bathroom and ejected by restaurant/bar bouncers a few years ago (in New Jersey?) but no police were involved in that.

Detroit, actually:

[roo_ster]

edit:  Okay, that one was a fake.  Poe's law, it's hard to tell when they're realistic enough.

Detroit, actually:

Er, not so much.  If this were a common occurrence, the trans lobby wouldn't need to make up hoaxes.

[zxcvbob]

Er, not so much.  If this were a common occurrence, the trans lobby wouldn't need to make up hoaxes.

I don't think the trannies are really the ones making up the stories (or even making that much of a fuss.)  I think they are being exploited by leftists who want to use them to tear down anything conservatives might want to preserve, just to be tearing it down.

And on a previous topic, engaging in risky behavior doesn't mean that one deserves to be victimized.  It does mean they shouldn't be surprised by it, unfortunately, and they skew the statistics.

I genuinely don't understand violence against perverts who aren't hurting anybody and just minding their own perverted (or confused) business.    What difference does it make if someone drops a deuce in the wrong bathroom?  (drunk, tranny, whatever)  Just snicker at them and leave them alone.

[Firethorn]

Er, not so much.  If this were a common occurrence, the trans lobby wouldn't need to make up hoaxes.

Wasn't the trans lobby, was a mere "fake news site". 

Hell, look at how often people think stuff from The Onion is real.

I don't think the trannies are really the ones making up the stories (or even making that much of a fuss.)  I think they are being exploited by leftists who want to use them to tear down anything conservatives might want to preserve, just to be tearing it down.

I think that it's trannies are winning limited rights and exemptions, then that being followed up by badly written policies, where the conservatives end up writing even more badly written policies.

Oh, and guys, do you want this person to NOT use the men's room?

And on a previous topic, engaging in risky behavior doesn't mean that one deserves to be victimized.  It does mean they shouldn't be surprised by it, unfortunately, and they skew the statistics.

I agree.

I genuinely don't understand violence against perverts who aren't hurting anybody and just minding their own perverted (or confused) business.    What difference does it make if someone drops a deuce in the wrong bathroom?  (drunk, tranny, whatever)  Just snicker at them and leave them alone.

Pretty much.  If they're perving, whether straight, gay, tranny, lesbian, or just that into shoes, THEN get the cops involved.  Otherwise, well, assess.  Woman uses the men's side because the woman's was full?  Man uses the women's because the men's side is just plain non-functional?  Fix the bloody restrooms.  Drunk?  Let the dude/gal know they were in the wrong side, make sure they don't drive home.  Otherwise?  I'd mostly make sure that no hidden cameras have been installed.