Trump's VP?

[Perd Hapley]

Perhaps they should all leave the GOP and start their own party, not being sarcastic or funny. I don't mesh well with national conservatives on social ideas, maybe there needs to be a fiscal conservative/social libertarian party also?

Yes, we've seen how well that party does.

[charby]

Yes, we've seen how well that party does.

Well Christian Conservative isn't really knocking it out of the park on a national scale either.

[Perd Hapley]

Well Christian Conservative isn't really knocking it out of the park on a national scale either.

Um, dude, the party that caters (more or less) to the Christians has done worlds better than the Libertarian Party. Just sayin'.

[Ron]

Well Christian Conservative isn't really knocking it out of the park on a national scale either.

The Tea Party and Christians gave both houses of Congress to the Republicans and got nothing but stabbed in the back in return.

[charby]

Um, dude, the party that caters (more or less) to the Christians has done worlds better than the Libertarian Party. Just sayin'.

I was talking about two or more new parties.

[charby]

The Tea Party and Christians gave both houses of Congress to the Republicans and got nothing but stabbed in the back in return.

or how much of that was people were tired of status quo? Backstabbing? Don't over promise what you can't deliver.

[roo_ster]

or how much of that was people were tired of status quo? Backstabbing? Don't over promise what you can't deliver.

The gop is learnimg that lesson as the electorate--wait for it--plays its trump card.

[Perd Hapley]

I was talking about two or more new parties.

OK, so you're talking about a party that's fiscally conservative (like the Libertarians), but is also "socially liberal," meaning it's OK with using government to enforce radical change to social mores (like the Dem Party is, and the Libertarian Party also is to a lesser extent).

So how would it be different (more successful) than the current Libertarian Party? Less strident about legalizing drugs? More willing to engage in economic protectionism? Pro-border-enforcement?

The one I've outlined sounds interesting. Sounds like it would also attract more of the same, icky, social conservatives, trying to take it over.

What kind of party are you suggesting, though?

[RoadKingLarry]

The Tea Party and Christians gave both houses of Congress to the Republicans and got nothing but stabbed in the back in return.

We got more than stabbed in the back thank you very much.
We also got kicked in the nuts, bent over a barrel and spat on.
Please don't short sell the Republicans that rode into office on the tea party bandwagon.

[roo_ster]

Ayup, the Tea Party and so-cons won majorities in both legislatures for the GOP.    GOP promised to stop Obamacare and BHO's executive order immivasion.  Instead we got horrifying trade deals and Iran nuke deals and more gov't debt.

[Fitz]

OK, so you're talking about a party that's fiscally conservative (like the Libertarians), but is also "socially liberal," meaning it's OK with using government to enforce radical change to social mores (like the Dem Party is, and the Libertarian Party also is to a lesser extent).

How do you get that last bit from the libertarian party ?

[Perd Hapley]

How do you get that last bit from the libertarian party ?

Like I said, they're not as bad as the Democrats. They were in favor of using government to try to change the institution of marriage.

From LP.org:

Libertarian Party four-decade advocacy for marriage equality pays off with US Supreme Court decision

I don't know where they stand on the restroom issues, and I presume they've been good on the bakers' rights issues. I suppose others, better acquainted with the party, may be able to find other issues where they've been less than libertarian.

[seeker_two]

I'd like to see Trump pick Cruz as his VP.....just to stick it to the GOPe......

[Perd Hapley]

I'd like to see Trump pick Cruz as his VP.....just to stick it to the GOPe......

If anyone could win with a VP whose credibility he single-handedly, and infamously, destroyed; that man is Donald Trump.

And I thought the 2012 campaign season was an odd-ball...

[KD5NRH]

Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho

Hmm...four years of VP salary plus a Senate pension vs the cost of changing it back later.

Changing it back includes the bonus of not being so readily identifiable as a retired politician.

Where do I sign up?

[Ben]

I'd like to see Trump pick Cruz as his VP.....just to stick it to the GOPe......

I'd prefer they bury the hatchet in order to get Cruz on the SC before the senate and congress go back to a big dem majority. As relatively young as he is, it would be a safe seat for a long while.

[Ron]

I'd prefer they bury the hatchet in order to get Cruz on the SC before the senate and congress go back to a big dem majority. As relatively young as he is, it would be a safe seat for a long while.

I'm with you on this one.

Trump needs a solid political pick with which both tea party and traditional Christians are comfortable. But he needs to be political in that he has to be able to help Trump push through congress his agenda. Cruz was never a bridge builder.

I think Trump as part of the donor class can handle the GOPe outreach himself. Putting a GOPe candidate on the ticket with him would be disastrous IMHO. Trump is only an outsider because he as an insider started muscling his way into the action where he wasn't invited. That and he appears to be a nationalist instead of a globalist.

The VP has to be reasonably able to claim same outsider status even if he's just an insider who has been marginalized for refusing to follow GOPe orthodoxy.

For example, Kasich would be a disaster IMHO.

[bedlamite]

Trump/West. 

Kanye would probably do it for 53 million.

[KD5NRH]

Trump needs a solid political pick with which both tea party and traditional Christians are comfortable. But he needs to be political in that he has to be able to help Trump push through congress his agenda. Cruz was never a bridge builder.

Maybe he could clone Reagan.

And then put Ron Paul's brain in the clone to achieve something along the lines of the big battle in Kingsman as people figure it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNJzrvtnoQE

[Perd Hapley]

I'd prefer they bury the hatchet in order to get Cruz on the SC before the senate and congress go back to a big dem majority. As relatively young as he is, it would be a safe seat for a long while.

Do you really think the Senate would confirm Cruz, especially with Trump picking him?

[Ben]

Do you really think the Senate would confirm Cruz, especially with Trump picking him?

Well Debbie Downer, I guess we could all just give up and go for a Hillary nomination to the SC. Or, instead of being GOPe and rolling over to expose our throats, we could try before saying "it won't work". It certainly won't work after 2018, when the senate and congress will likely be filled with a progressive majority. :)

[charby]

OK, so you're talking about a party that's fiscally conservative (like the Libertarians), but is also "socially liberal," meaning it's OK with using government to enforce radical change to social mores (like the Dem Party is, and the Libertarian Party also is to a lesser extent).

So how would it be different (more successful) than the current Libertarian Party? Less strident about legalizing drugs? More willing to engage in economic protectionism? Pro-border-enforcement?

The one I've outlined sounds interesting. Sounds like it would also attract more of the same, icky, social conservatives, trying to take it over.

What kind of party are you suggesting, though?

Fiscal conservative and keep your morals to yourself party. Sometimes the Christian conservatives are no different than the social justice warriors where they push to expect everyone to be like they are/believe. If your business is open to the public, then you should serve anyone (legally) that comes into the door with money. Legally being, if you own a bar and the person is drunk, you can refuse service, but if you own a bakery and lesbian wants a gay birthday cake and has means to compensate you for your time and goods, you make the cake.

How is it said, if you don't like guns, don't buy one, don't like abortion, don't have one, don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay person, don't like drugs, don't do coke....

[Fitz]

Fiscal conservative and keep your morals to yourself party. Sometimes the Christian conservatives are no different than the social justice warriors where they push to expect everyone to be like they are/believe. If your business is open to the public, then you should serve anyone (legally) that comes into the door with money. Legally being, if you own a bar and the person is drunk, you can refuse service, but if you own a bakery and lesbian wants a gay birthday cake and has means to compensate you for your time and goods, you make the cake.

How is it said, if you don't like guns, don't buy one, don't like abortion, don't have one, don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay person, don't like drugs, don't do coke....

Actually, two of the three libertarian candidates have said that a business should be able to serve who they want, and the market will correct...

[Perd Hapley]

Fiscal conservative and keep your morals to yourself party. Sometimes the Christian conservatives are no different than the social justice warriors where they push to expect everyone to be like they are/believe. If your business is open to the public, then you should serve anyone (legally) that comes into the door with money. Legally being, if you own a bar and the person is drunk, you can refuse service, but if you own a bakery and lesbian wants a gay birthday cake and has means to compensate you for your time and goods, you make the cake.

Wow. Obvious contradiction there, and obviously non-libertarian viewpoint. The libertarians over at Reason.com would like a word with you.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/01/is-this-where-libertarians-and-the-gay-c

How is it said, if you don't like guns, don't buy one, don't like abortion, don't have one, don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay person, don't like drugs, don't do coke....

If you don't like the straight and narrow, icky conservative bakery, don't go there. Honestly, how do you not see this as a solution?