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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2016, 01:32:06 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 24, 2016, 12:31:46 PM
Some guy did a statistical analysis of police and civilian shootings.  Injuries due to 9mm, 40, and 45 were an order of magnitude worse than injuries with smaller calibers.  They saw no effective difference between the 3 main calibers as far as deaths/serious injury/stopping the attacker. 

I don't remember who did the study.  I heard an interview on GunTalk.

Obviously, some guy with lace on his panties.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2016, 01:48:35 PM »
I'm surprised at you people.

Don't know know that shooting someone with a 9mm actually HEALS them?

A .40 might hurt them a little...

But a .45?

A .45 hits with such force that it sucks all of the body's contents, organs, fat, bones, etc., out and just leaves a skin bag lying on the ground.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2016, 01:49:52 PM »
Quote from: Mike Irwin on May 24, 2016, 01:48:35 PM
I'm surprised at you people.

Don't know know that shooting someone with a 9mm actually HEALS them?

A .40 might hurt them a little...

But a .45?

A .45 hits with such force that it sucks all of the body's contents, organs, fat, bones, etc., out and just leaves a skin bag lying on the ground.

No, no, no, that is a 50.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2016, 01:50:32 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 24, 2016, 12:31:46 PM
Some guy did a statistical analysis of police and civilian shootings.  Injuries due to 9mm, 40, and 45 were an order of magnitude worse than injuries with smaller calibers.  They saw no effective difference between the 3 main calibers as far as deaths/serious injury/stopping the attacker. 

I don't remember who did the study.  I heard an interview on GunTalk.

Looking at them objectively, there is maybe 100-150 ft-lbs energy  difference between all of them? Far less difference between them then the difference if one were to step up to a .44 magnum or a rifle cartridge.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2016, 01:51:43 PM »
Quote from: wmenorr67 on May 24, 2016, 01:49:52 PM
No, no, no, that is a 50.


A deagle .50, or a Browning .50?
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2016, 01:56:09 PM »
Just get one of these and be done with it:


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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2016, 02:17:57 PM »
Quote from: wmenorr67 on May 24, 2016, 01:49:52 PM
No, no, no, that is a 50.

The .45 is what the overcompensating .50 WANTS to be.

But never can be.

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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2016, 03:11:31 PM »
Quote from: brimic on May 24, 2016, 01:51:43 PM

A deagle .50, or a Browning .50?

Both of them can take down an airliner at cruising altitude.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2016, 03:54:42 PM »
Quote from: Mike Irwin on May 24, 2016, 01:48:35 PM
I'm surprised at you people.

Don't know know that shooting someone with a 9mm actually HEALS them?

A .40 might hurt them a little...

But a .45?

A .45 hits with such force that it sucks all of the body's contents, organs, fat, bones, etc., out and just leaves a skin bag lying on the ground.
Yeah well 10mm practically vaporizes the bastards, leaving just enough behind to be a satisfying acknowledgment you got him.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2016, 03:56:38 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 24, 2016, 12:31:46 PM
Some guy did a statistical analysis of police and civilian shootings.  Injuries due to 9mm, 40, and 45 were an order of magnitude worse than injuries with smaller calibers.  They saw no effective difference between the 3 main calibers as far as deaths/serious injury/stopping the attacker. 

I don't remember who did the study.  I heard an interview on GunTalk.

Are you talking about the study done by Evan Marshall and Ed Sanow back in the 80s/90s?  God, I remember reading so much about that, and the arguments back about their lack of scientific methodology.  Funny, though, that their "results" indicated that faster, bigger, and hollow point bullets led to more stopping power.  Not many people arguing against that.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2016, 05:36:48 PM »
.357 Sig


(Now there's a cartridge I don't much see the point of.)
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2016, 05:48:36 PM »
Quote from: lee n. field on May 24, 2016, 05:36:48 PM
.357 Sig


(Now there's a cartridge I don't much see the point of.)

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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2016, 05:52:51 PM »
Quote from: lee n. field on May 24, 2016, 05:36:48 PM
.357 Sig


(Now there's a cartridge I don't much see the point of.)

While I don't have one and wouldn't get one, If that's what someone wants I have no problems with it. 'because I want one' is a valid reason IMO. Honestly, I have entertained the thought of a 9x25 Dillon in the past.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #63 on: May 24, 2016, 06:32:04 PM »
Isn't Tam is the middle of a 2000 round test of .357 Sig (or maybe she's finished it.  I've lost track.)
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #64 on: May 24, 2016, 06:56:57 PM »
Quote from: scout26 on May 24, 2016, 06:32:04 PM
Isn't Tam is the middle of a 2000 round test of .357 Sig (or maybe she's finished it.  I've lost track.)

I think she finished that one and went on to abusing something else.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2016, 07:02:28 PM »
Quote from: bedlamite on May 24, 2016, 05:52:51 PM
While I don't have one and wouldn't get one, If that's what someone wants I have no problems with it. 'because I want one' is a valid reason IMO. Honestly, I have entertained the thought of a 9x25 Dillon in the past.

Dad went through a few. He sold the last one years ago. He had me shoot it first, to see if I really wanted to keep it.

I declined. Too me, it's a very "meh" caliber. I figure it to be in that same middle ground as the .40 S&W, solution to imaginary problem of wanting equivalent power to a larger round with smaller recoil, but less enjoyable to shoot. Obviously, there are some fans of it still out there. They are welcome to it.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2016, 07:03:18 PM »
Quote from: lupinus on May 24, 2016, 03:54:42 PM
Yeah well 10mm practically vaporizes the bastards, leaving just enough behind to be a satisfying acknowledgment you got him.


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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2016, 07:35:10 PM »
I like my 9mm in 9x29mm format (9mm Winchester Magnum!) Damn, I miss that (those) guns...  :facepalm:


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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #68 on: May 24, 2016, 07:36:35 PM »
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #69 on: May 24, 2016, 08:29:23 PM »
Quote from: Chris on May 24, 2016, 03:56:38 PM
Are you talking about the study done by Evan Marshall and Ed Sanow back in the 80s/90s?  God, I remember reading so much about that, and the arguments back about their lack of scientific methodology.  Funny, though, that their "results" indicated that faster, bigger, and hollow point bullets led to more stopping power.  Not many people arguing against that.
I thought it was something just in the last 10 years.  I don't know that it was necessarily scientific, just looked at caliber and basic effects.  I will have to look for it at some point.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #70 on: May 24, 2016, 09:45:03 PM »
Is this it:  An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power?

(Dang.   Fixed the pseudo-html.)
« Last Edit: May 25, 2016, 08:23:59 AM by lee n. field »
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #71 on: May 24, 2016, 11:14:29 PM »
Quote from: lee n. field on May 24, 2016, 09:45:03 PM
Is this it:  ?
That sounds a lot like what I remember.  Different conclusions than I remember.

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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #72 on: May 25, 2016, 07:33:20 AM »
I actually prefer my 9x32R.
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #73 on: May 25, 2016, 09:45:24 AM »
Quote from: Mike Irwin on May 25, 2016, 07:33:20 AM
I actually prefer my 9x32R.

Wow, had to Google that one!
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Re: 9 or 40
« Reply #74 on: May 25, 2016, 04:12:28 PM »
All handgun calibers suck. Everything from 9mm up is essentially the same. Choose the platform you shoot well, the caliber isn't relevant.
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