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Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« on: May 27, 2016, 08:35:10 PM »
I will give that to him.  His "I'll debate you Bernie, since Hillary won't." is one of the smartest ways to continuw to drive the trainwreck that is the Democrat nominating process toward that cliff.    The Democrats and the liberal media have done a pretty good job of protecting Hillary and doing everything they can to marginalize Bernie.  Her refusing to debate Bernie prior to the California primary was just another attempt (along with DWS scheduling debates for Saturday nights), to keep Bernie out of the public eye. 

So Trump elevating Bernie to what will probably be a major prime time event (and bring lots of popcorn because Trump v Bernie will be a hoot), while Hillary sits on the sde lines wondering what happened.   The best thing is is that there is no good option for Hillary.   If does now agree to a debate, she's seen as weak and afraid.  If she sits it out, she's seen as unwilling to "debate anytime, anywhere" as she has previously stated (on video). 

Meanwhile, Bernie and Trump could both tell her "No, you had your chance."  Plus it would seem more like a presidential debate.  Plus with the Bernie's Siren song of Communism Fascism Socialism Democratic Socialism will pull more low information voters toward him away from Hillary. 

Meaning that the  Democrat Convention in Philly will put the '68 Chicago Convention to shame.   Just wait until all the Bern-bots and the Anti-Trumpers get together once they figure out that Hillary is stealing the election from their guy.   

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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2016, 09:24:36 PM »
Trump protesters also don't seem to be aware that they're working for him.

It's a national-scale version of what happened here in Wisconsin. The voters were so put off at the leftist antics in the Capitol, that it turned out the base, and turned the moderates out in droves, and Scott Walker won his recall with a larger percentage and turnout than his actual election.

There's always been a subset of people who are always voting against a candidate, than they are for one, but mass protests of people waving Mexican flags and other assorted asshattery will churn out a voting base of people voting against an entire demographic.

If Trump wins, National-level politics will never be the same. The upside is, that in a way, it'll be more honest, because it's often been a personality/popularity contest more than one of ideology and policy, and for a generation or more, election cycles will be about asshattery and out-honeybadgering the competition. It started in earnest with the first televised debates between Kennedy and Nixon.

The downside of course, is that for a generation or more, election cycles will be about asshattery and out-honeybadgering the competition.
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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2016, 09:45:52 PM »
Rush made an interesting comment today in saying that the Democrats, if they ever told the truth about what they were about, would never ever get elected.  In other words they lie through their teeth...always.  Bernie, on the other hand is straight up saying what the D's are as a party and a philosophy of government.  He is actually the face of the Real Democrat Party.  If Trump actually debates him, Bernie gets a huge audience exposing the truth about D's.
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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2016, 03:43:48 PM »
No debate?  Really lame move Trump.  No suprise though.

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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2016, 04:20:49 PM »
No debate?  Really lame move Trump.  No su(r)prise though.

While withdrawing his agreement to the debate seems awkward, there is no purpose for a debate between Trump and Sanders.  Sanders is going nowhere.  Trump needs to debate Hillary.
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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2016, 04:26:05 PM »
Trump is a master of saying things that don't ever happen,

You've heard of the phrase Indian giver, well Trump is an Indian gliber in that he manages to say things in a way that sounds like he's making a promise but instead turns out to be not what you thought after all.

He is to his core fundamentally dishonest and is always looking for a way to screw over everybody he deals with.

When lefties and progressives and socialists et al whine and complain about mega-rich, sociopathic businessmen who use their money and influence to hurt workers or the little guy they're talking about people like Trump.

He is their demon. Their archetype of villainy. And he's real, they didn't have to invent him.  

Now they are a stupid, ignorant and malicious group so they conflate all non-left businessmen with Trump.  

So thanks to The Donald and other manipulators like him it makes it harder to point out that business and the people involved are a huge positive in this world and that putting unnneeded restraints on them harms us all by making us poorer.

That's who just got the needed number of delegates for the Republican nomination.
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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2016, 06:44:53 PM »
Did he ever mean to"debate" with Larry David? Did he just talk about it in order to put Clinton's wife in her place, and draw support away from her? Is this just another power move, to bolster his status as the one in the driver's seat of this election campaign season?
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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2016, 09:24:55 AM »
Why would he want to debate Bernie? It would just elevate Bernie's status. By getting the story going, he's called attention to Hillary's refusal to debate. That's all he needs to get out of this.

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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2016, 10:12:42 AM »
Why would he want to debate Bernie? It would just elevate Bernie's status.


Which would further divide the Democratic Party, and weaken their presumptive nominee.

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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2016, 04:40:40 PM »
One thing I've been reading about is Trump's ability to pull in former bernie supporters.  He's unlikely to pull in the ones liberal and dedicated enough to show up at bernie events, but the ones who were voting for bernie much the same way many conservatives were voting for trump - "Anybody but establishment!", might be pulled by Trump.  Who isn't actually a conservative.

So by not debating Bernie, he doesn't point out in their minds the differences between the two.  The liberal leaning but still anti-establishment types can switch to Trump in the general election.

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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2016, 10:26:03 AM »
 :rofl:

Yesterday on the way to work I caught the first part of Trumps press conference about his donations to veterans groups.

It was epic, best news conference ever! Seriously though  ;) I actually laughed out loud several times. I wish I was able to hear the whole thing it was so amazing. He spent the whole time I listened insulting them (the press) to their faces.

He continually called them liars and dishonest, the ones right in the room with him! I couldn't believe my ears. These weren't local press people, it was all the big guns. He attacked Major Garret full on. I was flabbergasted. Apparently it went on for a long time after the ten minutes I heard.

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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2016, 11:21:22 AM »
Seems the urinalists are all butt hurt about being called out publically for being a bunch of sleaze balls.
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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2016, 12:09:10 PM »
Apparently later in the day he also let Katie Couric have it.
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Re: Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2016, 03:35:41 PM »
:rofl:

Yesterday on the way to work I caught the first part of Trumps press conference about his donations to veterans groups.

It was epic, best news conference ever! Seriously though  ;) I actually laughed out loud several times. I wish I was able to hear the whole thing it was so amazing. He spent the whole time I listened insulting them (the press) to their faces.

He continually called them liars and dishonest, the ones right in the room with him! I couldn't believe my ears. These weren't local press people, it was all the big guns. He attacked Major Garret full on. I was flabbergasted. Apparently it went on for a long time after the ten minutes I heard.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/politics/donald-trump-veterans-announcement/
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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2016, 06:45:11 PM »
There isn't $5 million missing.
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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2016, 06:56:12 PM »
There isn't $5 million missing.

Oh, here come the die-hard Trumpkins, always defending Trump.  ;)
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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2016, 06:57:35 PM »
There isn't $5 million missing.

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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2016, 09:20:09 PM »
Trump read off every veterans' group that received money, and how much, at his news conference the other day. The total came to $5.6 million, which is how much the drive has taken in so far.

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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2016, 11:12:26 PM »
And in conventional arithmetic, 5.6 rounds up to 6.

Does that make Trump not such a bad guy after all? I'm leaning in the direction of thinking that if the Democrats hate him, the Republicans hate him, the media hate him, and half the rest of the world hates him ... he's probably the man for the job.

I may have commented previously that for the past several months I have been receiving e-mails from the Republican party, soliciting funds to basically stop Trump. Got  another one yesterday, but with a switch. The sender showed up as "TheTrumpTeam." But ... there was a familiar looking red "DONATE" box at the bottom. A little sleuthing revealed that the full address was TheTrumpTeam@GOP.org (or something like that). So the Rs have switched from using his name to collect money to stop him, to using his name to ... collect money. I wonder how much of whatever they get will go to help Trump's campaign, and how much will go toward sabotaging him ...
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2016, 02:15:31 AM »
And a,lil over a,month earlier
http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/722990

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Re: Giving credit where due - Trump's political instincts
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2016, 07:31:29 AM »
In upside down inside out world it is Hillary and the leftwing press who should get credit for the donations. I love the breathless and accusatory tone of the WashPo article, as if they are discussing a major scandal.

They held Trumps feet to the fire and "made" him pay up!

Honestly, that is the media narrative.


 


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