Author Topic: Local to me news - permit holder killed by police (Read 24539 times)

White Horseradish · « **on:** July 07, 2016, 01:27:57 PM »

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/06/police-officer-involved-shooting-in-falcon-heights/

Guy is killed by cops after telling them he has a permit and is carrying.

Seems to be a case of carrying while black.

Badgelickers blaming the victim are already all over Facebook.

makattak · « **Reply #1 on:** July 07, 2016, 01:46:45 PM »

I'm willing to wait for more context, but this looks very bad for the police officer.

FROM THE CURRENT INFORMATION AVAILABLE, it looks like the police officer was panicky because the driver willingly told him he was carrying a firearm, which we've seen video of that happening previously.

(As a note, why do some police officers become hair-trigger at that? If he TELLS you he's got a firearm, your threat meter ought to decrease, not increase because if he wanted to shoot you, he wouldn't tell you.)

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #2 on:** July 07, 2016, 01:51:03 PM »

Quote from: White Horseradish on July 07, 2016, 01:27:57 PM

Badgelickers blaming the victim are already all over Facebook.

Plenty of people rushing to judgment from the other side, so... It looks to me like a bad shoot, but keep in mind that outrage over a black guy being shot has (over the past few years) usually meant that the cops were in the right.

Usually...

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 07, 2016, 01:51:09 PM »

You can hear in the video from the tone of the officer's voice he realizes he just may have screwed the pooch.

Ben · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2016, 01:53:06 PM »

Interesting, there appear to suddenly be three stories of cops killing black men in the matter of a couple of days. Almost makes me want to get out the tinfoil. I see that the President was apparently "made aware" of at least one of them, and the dems brought it up in the middle of the Comey hearing. No word on if anyone of the other races killed by cops has been brought to Obama's attention.

I will say that two of these look bad for the cops. Definitely need more info.

Firethorn · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2016, 02:02:49 PM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on July 07, 2016, 01:51:09 PM

You can hear in the video from the tone of the officer's voice he realizes he just may have screwed the pooch.

I tried listening, but there might be something incompatible with my computer - I get no audio on the video.

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2016, 02:12:44 PM »

Quote from: Firethorn on July 07, 2016, 02:02:49 PM

I tried listening, but there might be something incompatible with my computer - I get no audio on the video.

I heard it while watching the news this morning.

Grebnaws · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2016, 02:18:40 PM »

In cases like these I think that LE triggers may not do enough to prevent negligent discharges. I have no love or hate for law enforcement but I don't think it'd be the worst thing to put a revolver, or some other suitable DAO pistol, back on their belt. Shooting someone out of poor judgement is an entirely different issue than shooting someone by accident and you just know that authorities are only too happy to spin the story their way.

230RN · « **Reply #8 on:** July 07, 2016, 02:32:51 PM »

makattack whined:

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(As a note, why do some police officers become hair-trigger at that? If he TELLS you he's got a firearm, your threat meter ought to decrease, not increase because if he wanted to shoot you, he wouldn't tell you.)

Are you trying to inject mere logic into these kinds of things?

For shame.

Terry

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2016, 02:38:52 PM »

Never mind, wrong thread

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2016, 02:40:27 PM »

Quote from: Ben on July 07, 2016, 01:53:06 PM

Interesting, there appear to suddenly be three stories of cops killing black men in the matter of a couple of days. Almost makes me want to get out the tinfoil. I see that the President was apparently "made aware" of at least one of them, and the dems brought it up in the middle of the Comey hearing. No word on if anyone of the other races killed by cops has been brought to Obama's attention.

Curious timing, indeed.

Also disturbing that the Dept of Justice for the Little People seems to automatically investigate any police shooting of a black guy (if it makes headlines).

zxcvbob · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2016, 02:41:42 PM »

Quote from: White Horseradish on July 07, 2016, 01:27:57 PM

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/06/police-officer-involved-shooting-in-falcon-heights/

Guy is killed by cops after telling them he has a permit and is carrying.

Seems to be a case of carrying while black.

Badgelickers blaming the victim are already all over Facebook.

I've not watched the video, but this is exactly why I don't tell cops when I'm armed. I don't trust them not to shoot me.

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 07, 2016, 02:57:47 PM »

Quote from: zxcvbob on July 07, 2016, 02:41:42 PM

I've not watched the video, but this is exactly why I don't tell cops when I'm armed. I don't trust them not to shoot me.

Depending on the state you're required to notify upon contact.

roo_ster · « **Reply #13 on:** July 07, 2016, 03:00:38 PM »

Quote from: zxcvbob on July 07, 2016, 02:41:42 PM

I've not watched the video, but this is exactly why I don't tell cops when I'm armed. I don't trust them not to shoot me.

In Texas we are required to inform if we are packing if asked by LEO for our ID.

Perhaps they ought to have issued Officer Badshoot? one of the pretty blue Glocks instead of the boring black colored ones with the trigger Perfection.

I would be interested to see/hear any LEO on-body or car video & audio. Gal recording the video seems remarkably calm considering that four rounds were just shot near her in the wild and that her BF is bleeding out. She seems the more credible witness at the time of filming when she tells Officer Badshoot? her BF was following instructions. Again, LEO-side video/audio would be nice.

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As far as the LEO-shoots-black-guy konspiracy, there will always be a bunch ready to roll given crime rates.

White Horseradish · « **Reply #14 on:** July 07, 2016, 03:10:12 PM »

Joe Olson is a guy whose I opinion I would listen to.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/07/07/3796266/philando-castile-shooting-st-anthony-police-falcon-heights-improper-stops/

Balog · « **Reply #15 on:** July 07, 2016, 03:13:41 PM »

Quote from: Ben on July 07, 2016, 01:53:06 PM

Interesting, there appear to suddenly be three stories of cops killing black men in the matter of a couple of days. Almost makes me want to get out the tinfoil. I see that the President was apparently "made aware" of at least one of them, and the dems brought it up in the middle of the Comey hearing. No word on if anyone of the other races killed by cops has been brought to Obama's attention.

I will say that two of these look bad for the cops. Definitely need more info.

I think we can believe it is being raised as a convenient smokescreen while at the same time believing that the shoots were not staged. In any given week there are probably at least one or two examples of cops murdering an innocent person.

Balog · « **Reply #16 on:** July 07, 2016, 03:17:36 PM »

Quote from: White Horseradish on July 07, 2016, 03:10:12 PM

Joe Olson is a guy whose I opinion I would listen to.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/07/07/3796266/philando-castile-shooting-st-anthony-police-falcon-heights-improper-stops/

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“I was on the fire department in Falcon Heights when they got the [St. Anthony] police contract, and the chief promised the city council that he would double their ticket revenue,” Olson said, adding that this happened before Ohl’s tenure. “They essentially run a slot machine where the incident happened. They’re always out there looking for anything — write a ticket and collect a buck.”

Policing for profit, yet another reason why I maintain that the majority of police departments are just criminal organizations operating under color of law.

Ron · « **Reply #17 on:** July 07, 2016, 03:31:47 PM »

If it is a bad shoot I hope the cop is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Considering it probably really is a bad shoot I know that is too much to ask.

On a side note:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/

roo_ster · « **Reply #18 on:** July 07, 2016, 03:33:13 PM »

Quote from: Ron on July 07, 2016, 03:31:47 PM

On a side note:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/

Who? Whom?

White Horseradish · « **Reply #19 on:** July 07, 2016, 03:36:08 PM »

Quote from: Ron on July 07, 2016, 03:31:47 PM

If it is a bad shoot I hope the cop is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Considering it probably really is a bad shoot I know that is too much to ask.

I think the Minnesota BCA (Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, people that investigate police shootings) has failed to clear the cop in a shooting only once. And even then no charges were filed.

zxcvbob · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2016, 03:48:25 PM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on July 07, 2016, 02:57:47 PM

Depending on the state you're required to notify upon contact.

I understand that. Minnesota does not require it. Texas does, but there is no penalty for failing to; it's not even an infraction. (I don't have a TX permit, so it doesn't matter, I just think it's interesting)

MechAg94 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 07, 2016, 03:59:15 PM »

They removed the penalty to failure to notify in Texas, but the requirement is still there. The officer will see that you have permit as soon as he runs your information. I just hand over both ID's and explain my carry status then.

Is a police officer justified in shooting just because the guy was reaching for "something"?

Firethorn · « **Reply #22 on:** July 07, 2016, 04:10:00 PM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on July 07, 2016, 03:59:15 PM

Is a police officer justified in shooting just because the guy was reaching for "something"?

In my opinion? No.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 07, 2016, 04:11:17 PM »

Can y'all tell from the video if the officer told the guy to show his hands or not to reach for anything?

MechAg94 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 07, 2016, 04:12:04 PM »

Quote from: Firethorn on July 07, 2016, 04:10:00 PM

In my opinion? No.

That was my thought also. I would have though he would need to see something in his hands first.

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Author Topic: Local to me news - permit holder killed by police (Read 24539 times)