You seem to be saying it's wrong when the left does it and ok when we do it. I'm saying it's always stupid and wrong.
OK, here's everything I've said about this. Just point out the parts where I said it was OK for the right to incite violence.
They're [I was referring to the left, as a reply to Ben's post] also good at blaming "hateful right-wing rhetoric" for crimes committed by Democrats, and ignoring the "pig-killing" rhetoric of BLM.
It's actually quite one-sided. BLM parades through the streets saying things like "What do we want? Dead cops!" We don't hear things like that, directed toward anyone, at Tea Parties, or from Rush Limbaugh, or from Fox News. Besides, Claire Wolfe? She's not exactly as high-profile as Black Lives Matter, or the afore-mentioned right-wingers.
BTW, what did Claire Wolfe say that was inciting? I'm not finding anything out there. I know almost nothing about her, so I could use any help you could offer.
You seem to be comparing comments on the internet, which is plenty violent on both sides. I was talking about comments in news media, from talk show hosts, and from activist groups. There's where I'm seeing a big difference. But don't let that interrupt your need to be gleeful about how you're smarter and more objective than everyone else. We all love that feeling, don't we?
So you disagree with anything I say, just because you don't like me. Very well. You weren't going to win this argument, anyway, as the Tea Party never marched through the streets calling for murder.
Was that supposed to be an example of a right-wing media figure calling for someone's murder? You realize she was lampooning the left's pro-child-killing arguments, yes? And she didn't say anyone should be terminated - you realize that, right?
Even if you do find an example of such from the right, I wasn't saying it never happens. We all know the left (both the politicians and the press) are prone to blame the right-wing figures for acts of violence they're not connected with, committed by people we have no reason to believe took their orders from them. For example, blaming the Tea Party for the actions of a pilot who flew his plane into an IRS building - his suicide note quoted a Communist creed, and mocked capitalism. Sarah Palin was blamed for the shooting of Gabby Giffords and a federal judge, though no connection was ever discovered. Bill Clinton blamed right-wing talk radio for the OKC bombing, despite any clear evidence that the bombers were motivated by same.
On the other side, we have a rather clear-cut case of BLM marchers publicly calling for the murder of police officers, and several police officers (in Dallas and NYC) murdered.
I did learn that the march I referred to was an affiliated group, and perhaps not officially BLM.
If there were, why don't you mention at least one example?
So do you think a racist movement that calls for the murder of police officers is at all to blame, when people murder police officers, and call it revenge for Eric Garner and Michael Brown? (New York City, 2014) Or when someone allied with the New Black Panthers goes on a racist killing spree against police, at a BLM event in Dallas?
Then why did you cite someone NOT saying that?
Also, how many are you calling a lot? Not that one death isn't of huge significance by itself, but you said "a lot," so the numbers must be meaningful to you. How many?
It's funny. I don't recall saying that no one from the right side of the aisle has ever called for the murder of anyone.
I do recall commenting on the fact that left-wing press and politicians blame right-wing "rhetoric" for unrelated violence, while downplaying the actual connections between left-wing rhetoric and the violence they commit. I don't see that being refuted any time soon.
Again, every death is significant (since all lives matter smiley), but since you said "a lot" of people have been killed, let's look at the numbers. Three people have been killed since Tiller, though I don't think any of them were actually clinic employees.
According to the National Abortion Federation, there have been eleven people killed by anti-abortion violence in the U.S., the first one in 1993.
http://prochoice.org/education-and-advocacy/violence/violence-statistics-and-history/
2014: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/21/2-nypd-cops-shot-in-car-critically-injured.html
2015: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-kill-north-county-man-wanted-in-fatal-shooting-of/article_f4629c92-1769-557f-841d-2f8446c162cd.html
2016: Five police officers murdered in Dallas
So in forty-some years (since Roe v Wade), anti-abortion vigilantes have killed 11 people. BLM has killed 8 in under two years.
You're making things up now, because I haven't said anything like that. I never drew any line between the fringe and the mainstream. I did acknowledge that the internet is rife with violent talk from all sides. But I was referring to people like Sarah Palin, and Rush Limbaugh, and the Tea Party movement, all of which have been falsely accused of inciting violence at various times. Again, to clarify, I wasn't talking about them because they're not "fringe," but because they, specifically, have been unfairly accused.
We have video of BLM chanting for "dead cops."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8
Is there such a video or audio from Fox News programs, from Rush Limbaugh, from a Tea Party rally, or any other such? And who has been murdered because of it?
And again, your Ann Coulter quote is not an example of this. You're smart enough to understand why.
I accept. Add to the count, if you like.
Oh, were those Million Man marcher guys too much on the fringe? Are they not BLM-ey enough for you?
You're hilarious. Thanks for propping up my point. On the Palin thing, your own link (after the moral panic about some obviously metaphoric language) admits that there's no link between the shooter and Palin.
The Limbaugh thing is even weaker, for your point. How is anyone incited to violence by Rush talking about how the Hondurans should invade us? As Honduras didn't invade, it apparently incited no one.
Sad. You're so off your game today.
Also, I'm not sure where you get the idea that I claimed there were news media, or talk show hosts asking for police to be killed. What I'm saying is that the left, especially their media arm, is reluctant to blame their own side, when violent rhetoric coincides with actual violence. So you'd counter my argument by finding the establishment press blaming lefties for violent rhetoric.
Now, my original point was that the left tends to downplay the presence of hateful or violent rhetoric on their side, and to obsess over remarks from the right that in many cases are not hateful or violent, and then blame them for violence that in some cases is committed by leftists. You and De Selby have provided a few examples here. The Joe Walsh stuff is the closest either of you have come to something that is (arguably) violent rhetoric from any media figure on the right.
To quote myself again:
I was referring to people like Sarah Palin, and Rush Limbaugh, and the Tea Party movement, all of which have been falsely accused of inciting violence at various times. Again, to clarify, I wasn't talking about them because they're not "fringe," but because they, specifically, have been unfairly accused.
It does seem I lost sight of my own point a couple of times, over the course of the conversation. Some of my comments did not serve my original point, but they hardly amount to excusing right-wing violence or violent language, to the extent that it exists.
