Local to me news - permit holder killed by police

[zxcvbob]

It looks real bad to me, but I've been wrong about that before.  I think the NRA was right to not comment on this case yet.  Wait for the investigation (or lack thereof.)

[White Horseradish]

The ONLY amazing thing about this one would be if the BLM people actually found a case where an innocent was shot, since they almost uniformly choose criminals who gave cause for shooting.

Castile was pretty much the poster-perfect good guy. Straight-A student, worked a steady job, had a permit, no record beyond bullshit traffic violations.

[makattak]

Castile was pretty much the poster-perfect good guy. Straight-A student, worked a steady job, had a permit, no record beyond bullshit traffic violations.

The deceased being innocent and upstanding is not what is surprising.

BLM choosing to make issue with his being shot is.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Oh, please. You can see some blurry thing that could be literally anything, from a cell phone to a belt.

Is it your contention he did not have a gun?

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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Castile was pretty much the poster-perfect good guy. Straight-A student, worked a steady job, had a permit, no record beyond bullshit traffic violations.

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=b95_1468030677

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[De Selby]

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=b95_1468030677

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He smokes weed.  I had no idea but this is proof positive he deserved it.

It's impossible to violate the rights of someone with reefer madness!

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Ymmv but in some cultures smoking weed in a car with your 4 year old in the car seat is less than optimal

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[De Selby]

Ymmv but in some cultures smoking weed in a car with your 4 year old in the car seat is less than optimal

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What's that have to do with him being a threat to police?

There seems to be an unspoken assumption in these threads that any and all character flaws or criminal history a dead guy has is relevant to whether he should have been shot.  That's more than disturbing when a gun owner is the one saying that sort of "well maybe he deserved it!" crap.

[Perd Hapley]

The ONLY amazing thing about this one would be if the BLM people actually found a case where an innocent was shot, since they almost uniformly choose criminals who gave cause for shooting.

Yeah, that's the surprising part. Not to discount Tamir Rice, and probably a few other cases. But most of the people they go to war over (sometimes literally) range from the outright felonious, to the merely shady.

[White Horseradish]

Is it your contention he did not have a gun?

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My contention is that saying that this blurry picture proves that he had it in his lap is at best wishful thinking.

[Jamisjockey]

He smokes weed.  I had no idea but this is proof positive he deserved it.

It's impossible to violate the rights of someone with reefer madness!

CSAD might agree with that sentiment.

Ymmv but in some cultures smoking weed in a car with your 4 year old in the car seat is less than optimal

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Maybe he was offering the cop a toke and the cop popped him for that.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

My contention is that saying that this blurry picture proves that he had it in his lap is at best wishful thinking.

So that's a no?we both believe he had a gun?

Do we both believe it behooves one to be careful when armed during a traffic stop?&*

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[Jamisjockey]

So that's a no?we both believe he had a gun?

Do we both believe it behooves one to be careful when armed during a traffic stop?&*

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Because a cop would never get jumpy with an armed citizen nor give conflicting orders in rapid succession. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Hence it behooves one to be very careful. One never knows when one matches the description of someone who is wanted.

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[De Selby]

Hence it behooves one to be very careful. One never knows when one matches the description of someone who is wanted.

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http://www.snopes.com/philando-castile-was-not-wanted-for-armed-robbery/

Snopes does a good analysis of the web rumours about that one.  Short version is: Castile was not a suspect in any robbery.

Sorry CSD, but your risk of being shot by police shouldn't increase solely because someone else robbed a store. A free society isn't one where you assume every interaction with police is one where you very likely could be shot.  Likewise, as has been commented on this thread, if stopping cars is so dangerous, there needs to be a new approach to the practice by LEOs.

[Mannlicher]

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/06/police-officer-involved-shooting-in-falcon-heights/


Guy is killed by cops after telling them he has a permit and is carrying.

Seems to be a case of carrying while black.


Badgelickers blaming the victim are already all over Facebook.

and cop haters, with zero information, are already all over FB, blaming the cops.  The fellow did not have a CCW.  He was pulled because he fit the exact description of a recent armed robber.  Of course, when you are agenda driven, facts mean nothing.

and snopes has no credibility.

[De Selby]

and cop haters, with zero information, are already all over FB, blaming the cops.  The fellow did not have a CCW.  He was pulled because he fit the exact description of a recent armed robber.  Of course, when you are agenda driven, facts mean nothing.

and snopes has no credibility.

How did you confirm he had no CCW?

Did you read the snopes piece?  The photos speak for themselves

Looks to me like a lot of the demonisation of this poor guy is agenda driven as much as anything else.

[Ben]

At the risk of veering from the "bad cop / good cop" direction... 

I do find it interesting that whether any of us think the cop was in the right or in the wrong, this did make me really notice one common theme on the left. If a cop shoots someone (especially of a popular ethnicity), the left blames the cop. If anyone else shoots someone, the left blames the gun. Even though in this case the driver had a gun (whether legal or illegal), I'm not seeing much "The gun! The gun!" from the left.

They seem to be able to separate the inanimate object from the act when it suits them.

[Hawkmoon]

I do find it interesting that whether any of us think the cop was in the right or in the wrong, this did make me really notice one common theme on the left. If a cop shoots someone (especially of a popular ethnicity), the left blames the cop. If anyone else shoots someone, the left blames the gun. Even though in this case the driver had a gun (whether legal or illegal), I'm not seeing much "The gun! The gun!" from the left.

They seem to be able to separate the inanimate object from the act when it suits them.

That's a very incisive observation.

[zahc]

Hence it behooves one to be very careful. One never knows when one matches the description of someone who is wanted.

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Like those old hispanic ladies and white males that got their car shot up because they lookied so much like Chris Dorner.

[Perd Hapley]

They're also good at blaming "hateful right-wing rhetoric" for crimes committed by Democrats, and ignoring the "pig-killing" rhetoric of BLM.

[Balog]

They're also good at blaming "hateful right-wing rhetoric" for crimes committed by Democrats, and ignoring the "pig-killing" rhetoric of BLM.

You realize that works both ways right? We don't accept that Claire Wolfe et al drove Tim McVeigh to bomb OKC, but are convinced Obama is behind Dallas.

[Angel Eyes]

You realize that works both ways right? We don't accept that Claire Wolfe et al drove Tim McVeigh to bomb OKC, but are convinced Obama is behind Dallas.

In fairness, Wolfe has specifically stated "Don't shoot the bastards (yet)."

[White Horseradish]

So that's a no?we both believe he had a gun?

Do we both believe it behooves one to be careful when armed during a traffic stop?&*

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You should be careful. At the same time, making a small mistake in choreography of your movements should not be a death sentence.

Every single state, including the very anti-gun ones, has some form of legal carry now. Mere possession of a gun is not a valid reason for a police officer to kill someone.

Hence it behooves one to be very careful. One never knows when one matches the description of someone who is wanted.

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If you can tell me how I can know when I match the description of someone wanted, I'd love to hear it.

The fellow did not have a CCW.  He was pulled because he fit the exact description of a recent armed robber.  Of course, when you are agenda driven, facts mean nothing.

He did have a permit. Minnesota has 87 counties, you can apply for a permit at any county sheriff. One sheriff saying he didn't apply there means absolutely nothing. A poster on a police forum said he had a permit issued in Hennepin county.

Unless you have access to MN police databases you have absolutely no way to confirm he had no permit.

The robbery took place the day before. "exact description" was vague enough to cover 3/4 of black male population of the state.

Of course, when you are agenda driven, facts mean nothing.

I'm not seeing much "The gun! The gun!" from the left.

I have seen people literally saying "gun laws are killing black people"

[Perd Hapley]

You realize that works both ways right? We don't accept that Claire Wolfe et al drove Tim McVeigh to bomb OKC, but are convinced Obama is behind Dallas.

It's actually quite one-sided. BLM parades through the streets saying things like "What do we want? Dead cops!" We don't hear things like that, directed toward anyone, at Tea Parties, or from Rush Limbaugh, or from Fox News. Besides, Claire Wolfe? She's not exactly as high-profile as Black Lives Matter, or the afore-mentioned right-wingers.