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Ted Cruz booed at convention
« on: July 20, 2016, 10:24:24 PM »
Doesn't endorse Trump and says to vote your conscience.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/20/ted-cruz-vote-your-conscience/
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2016, 10:26:55 PM »
2/3 of his speech was great . . . the other 1/3 . . . disappointing.

I expected better from him.
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2016, 10:36:48 PM »
Quote from: HankB on July 20, 2016, 10:26:55 PM
2/3 of his speech was great . . . the other 1/3 . . . disappointing.

I expected better from him.

I didn't. IMHO he lived down to my expectations.
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2016, 10:47:57 PM »
Newt came out and tried his best to save it for Ted. ;)


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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2016, 10:49:25 PM »
Proof that my initial support for him was in fact misplaced.
I guess that pledge to support the eventual nominee, that all of them took, means nothing, much like the oath of office they take.
Cruz, Kasich and Bush are beneath contempt.
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2016, 10:55:52 PM »
What, exactly, did he pledge to do for the nominee?

So anyway, they wanted Cruz to buckle to the new establishment. And he didn't do it. Boy, what a disgrace.
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2016, 11:23:38 PM »
Quote from: fistful on July 20, 2016, 10:55:52 PM
What, exactly, did he pledge to do for the nominee?

So anyway, they wanted Cruz to buckle to the new establishment. And he didn't do it. Boy, what a disgrace.

They all promised during an early debate to support the eventual nominee, except Trump,  who after creating a bit of a row over it, eventually did sign such a pledge.
I will leave it to others on this forum to assign whatever value they wish to such pledges....... [popcorn]
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2016, 11:30:51 PM »
So, basically, what happened is he made a pledge in good faith long ago that he would be supporting someone tolerable for office, even if it wasn't him and when the intolerable person made the nomination, he couldn't go through with it?

wow... what a stinky rotten bastard  ;/
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2016, 12:46:35 AM »
Quote from: TommyGunn on July 20, 2016, 11:23:38 PM
They all promised during an early debate to support the eventual nominee... [popcorn]

Yes, I remember that. It seems like a very vague thing to pledge to do. Is there a timeline? Is there a requirement to make an official endorsement?  

Are Trump supporters demanding obedience to the GOP leadership, now that Trump is leader of the party?  Has Cruz out-Trumped Trump?


Have thought about it for a few more minutes, I think the way to trump Trump would have been for Cruz to have declined to pledge his support in the first place. That was his mistake. He should have voted his conscience back then, and maybe siphoned off some of that Honey Badger vote.
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2016, 01:49:39 AM »
Remind me not make a hand shake deal with any of you anti-Trump folks.
Ok, fine he was not willing to honor his pledge to actually support the eventual nominee, then just stay home, don't come out and try to undermine him.
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2016, 04:05:13 AM »
Morals and principles are complex

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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2016, 04:31:24 AM »
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Morals and principles are complex

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And Cruz just demonstrated a decided lack of character.
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2016, 05:33:41 AM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 21, 2016, 04:31:24 AM
And Cruz just demonstrated a decided lack of character.
Endorsing trump woulda showed character? As opposed to telling the truth? How so?

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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2016, 06:03:04 AM »
Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on July 21, 2016, 04:05:13 AM
Morals and principles are complex

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Especially when your main goal is to avoid a quote that might later force you to admit you took a position.

Have you ever read teds comments on immigration?  If all you read is what he said, it's literally impossible to tell what his position was.

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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2016, 06:19:29 AM »
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/01/ted_cruz_may_be_the_most_gifted_liar_ever_to_run_for_president.html

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Second, Cruz got through the entire immigration fight without leaving any solid evidence that he was faking it. That’s remarkable. Last month, FactCheck.org asked Brian Phillips, a Cruz campaign spokesman, whether he could “point to any instances in which Cruz tipped his hand” that the 2013 legalization offer “was not a plan he [Cruz] actually proposed, but was a legislative strategy to make a point.” Phillips said he couldn’t. “We were not trying to let on our legislative strategy,” Phillips explained. But Cruz’s 2013 record is so pristine, so perfectly devoid of nods and winks, that it’s impossible to know what his real game was. And that’s what sets Cruz apart. Lots of politicians lie. Cruz did something more impressive. He talked and talked and still managed to leave himself both options: to deny in the future that his amendments were sincere, or to claim that they were.
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2016, 06:56:29 AM »
Trump partisans upset that another candidate flip-flopped. Priceless.
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2016, 06:59:04 AM »
Quote from: fistful on July 21, 2016, 06:56:29 AM
Trump partisans upset that another candidate flip-flopped. Priceless.

Agreeing to speak at an event to appoint the new candidate for president and then slagging him off?

I'm thinking Trump called this one best:  "He holds up the bible, and he lies"
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2016, 07:04:23 AM »
Trump partisans upset that another candidate flip-flopped. Still priceless.

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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2016, 07:11:15 AM »
Quote from: De Selby on July 21, 2016, 06:44:55 AM
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Your boy has peculiar way of proving his point
 But Cruz and his aides insist that he never explicitly embraced legalization. And they’re right.

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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2016, 07:40:47 AM »
Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on July 21, 2016, 05:33:41 AM
Endorsing trump woulda showed character? As opposed to telling the truth? How so?

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If he wasn't willing to stand up, man up and accept the terms of the pledge to support the eventual nominee then he shouldn't have made it.
Sucks out loud that the tactic that the establishment crowd intended to use against Trump came back and bit them in the ass but that's the way it is.

Trump gave Cruz a prime time slot for his backstabbing speech. If Cruz was unwilling/unable to support and endorse the duly nominated RNC candidate then he should have declined the invitation. That I could have respected some.

Ever make a bet or a handshake agreement with someone then the other party backs out of the deal because it backfired on them or welshes on a bet when they lose?
What character or principles are involved there?
 

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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2016, 07:46:50 AM »
Did folk forget this
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-nominee-pledge/

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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2016, 07:49:14 AM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 21, 2016, 04:31:24 AM
And Cruz just demonstrated a decided lack of character.


To the contrary -- I think he showed us very clearly exactly what his character is. And it isn't pretty.  He didn't have to "endorse" Trump. He could have used his speech to just remind everyone that the focus should be on keeping Hillary out of the White House. Not only did he renege on his pledge to support to party's nominee, he used his speech to tell his supporters to vote against the party nominee. He deserved every boo he got.

He should be booted out of the party.
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Re: Ted Cruz booed at convention
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2016, 07:49:51 AM »
Trump admitted he saw Cruz's speech two hours prior and let him speak anyway.

Think about that...... [tinfoil]
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