Ted Cruz booed at convention

[Hawkmoon]

As for third party purist zero probability of winning voting, that is properly known as "peter pan  voting."

Speaking (okay, "writing") as someone who has voted third party in more than two previous presidential elections, I would offer a correction: This year, a third party zero probability of winning vote is more properly known as "Hillary voting."

[Balog]

Speaking (okay, "writing") as someone who has voted third party in more than two previous presidential elections, I would offer a correction: This year, a third party zero probability of winning vote is more properly known as "Hillary voting."

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/727849437339353088

[makattak]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/trump-pivots-to-the-general-election-by-questioning-whether-cruzs-dad-killed-jfk-again/

Whew, that Cruz, holding a grudge, he needs to just get over it!

[Scout26]

Vote your conscience.  If your conscience tells you Trump, then vote for him.  If it tells you otherwise, then vote for that person.  I fail to understand why this a kerfluffle. 

[wmenorr67]

Vote your conscience.  If your conscience tells you Trump, then vote for him.  If it tells you otherwise, then vote for that person.  I fail to understand why this a kerfluffle. 

Because he didn't scream vote Trump/Pence.

[Ron]

Vote your conscience.  If your conscience tells you Trump, then vote for him.  If it tells you otherwise, then vote for that person.  I fail to understand why this a kerfluffle. 

"vote your conscience" has been the mantra of the #nevertrump crowd.

For all practical purposes he might as well as said "I'm with Bush, Romney and Kasich!"

[Scout26]

So we are unhappy with most democrats, because no matter what they have said or done, they will rally around and defend their candidate.  Yet when there are actually members of the republicans that say "I cannot, in good conscience, vote for this candidate", everyone screams bloody murder?

Got it.

[AJ Dual]

Vote your conscience.  If your conscience tells you Trump, then vote for him.  If it tells you otherwise, then vote for that person.  I fail to understand why this a kerfluffle. 

Because, no matter what anybody else disagrees on, we're all pretty unanimous on NOT wanting Hillary. And that kind of creates one helluva game-theory "Prisoner's Dilemma" situation for the electorate. 

[Hawkmoon]

He said "Vote your conscience" when he should have said "Forget all the rightful misgivings you have about Donald Trump and suck it up and vote for him! Because he's TOTALLY trustworthy not Hillary!"

FTFY.

That's all it would have taken. But, NOOOOOOOOooooooo

[Ben]

So we are unhappy with most democrats, because no matter what they have said or done, they will rally around and defend their candidate.  Yet when there are actually members of the republicans that say "I cannot, in good conscience, vote for this candidate", everyone screams bloody murder?

Got it.

We also have people getting in a lather about third party and write-in votes being, "a vote for Hillary". The electorate is pretty divided, and the establishment on the other side is getting in a lather about third party and write-in votes being, "a vote for Trump".

So in the end, those on either side worried about people voting their conscience should consider it a wash. The bonus (for me) would be to see the combined third party and write-in percentage be higher than the percentage for either Clinton or Trump.

One of them is going to get it, but if everyone actually voted their conscience, especially this time around with the low approval for both candidates, the high number of votes for all the people not them would absolutely send a strong message.

[230RN]

One of them is going to get it, but if everyone actually voted their conscience, especially this time around with the low approval for both candidates, the high number of votes for all the people not them would absolutely send a strong message.

Which won't be received anyhow.

[Scout26]

I already know my vote doesn't count.  I'm in Illinois.  And the last time Illinois went R was in 1988 for Bush I. 

However, I would love to see the election thrown into the House and all the media outlets screaming "Constitutional Crisis !!!!"  When the constitution clearly delineates the process.

It would be great theater...

[roo_ster]

I already know my vote doesn't count.  I'm in Illinois.  And the last time Illinois went R was in 1988 for Bush I. 

However, I would love to see the election thrown into the House and all the media outlets screaming "Constitutional Crisis !!!!"  When the constitution clearly delineates the process.

It would be great theater...

Majority GOP Congress = Bush III: Revenge of the Stiff

[Sideways_8]

Speaking (okay, "writing") as someone who has voted third party in more than two previous presidential elections, I would offer a correction: This year, a third party zero probability of winning vote is more properly known as "Hillary voting."

No. If this is the best we can get to lead our country, then we deserve to burn. I am not voting for the lesser of two evils. That's what got us here in the first place.

[Fitz]

It's starting to get real interesting. lol

And... if you think the cruz speech wasn't orchestrated with the approval and design of the trump campaign, you're delusional

It's all smoke and mirrors.

[De Selby]

It's starting to get real interesting. lol

And... if you think the cruz speech wasn't orchestrated with the approval and design of the trump campaign, you're delusional

It's all smoke and mirrors.

Orchestrated?  Might be a bit of a stretch.  Seems much more likely with the level of hate for trump that the RNC let Cruz do the "I'll pull out or speak on this" trick

[Hawkmoon]

It's starting to get real interesting. lol

And... if you think the cruz speech wasn't orchestrated with the approval and design of the trump campaign, you're delusional

It's all smoke and mirrors.

Orchestration would mean that Trump people participated in writing the speech. Not likely. I'll go along with the "giving him enough rope to hang himself" bit (and he seems to have done so very effectively), but I don't think it was "orchestrated" by the Trump camp.

[MechAg94]

Orchestration would mean that Trump people participated in writing the speech. Not likely. I'll go along with the "giving him enough rope to hang himself" bit (and he seems to have done so very effectively), but I don't think it was "orchestrated" by the Trump camp.

I don't think Cruz hung himself or anything of the kind.  Trump supporters didn't like him before and they don't like him now (Surprise!!).  He didn't attack Trump and Trump was big enough to not try to stop him from saying what he said.  IMO, both came out ahead.  Also, Cruz at least had the decency to show up at the convention unlike all the other establishment types.  


If anyone is hanging themselves, it is Trump supporters making such a big deal about this.  As before, be good winners and act like your guy won the nomination.  Focus on the actual opponent in the next election rather than continuing to fight the last one.  

For me, my other Texas Senator is John Cornyn and I will take Cruz any day of the week over that guy.  

[Pb]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/trump-pivots-to-the-general-election-by-questioning-whether-cruzs-dad-killed-jfk-again/

Whew, that Cruz, holding a grudge, he needs to just get over it!

Trump really is a piece of excrement.

[TommyGunn]

Trump really is a piece of excrement.

It could be worse ...... he could be on the Democrat ticket.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

And still use same material

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[roo_ster]

I don't think Cruz hung himself or anything of the kind.  Trump supporters didn't like him before and they don't like him now (Surprise!!).  He didn't attack Trump and Trump was big enough to not try to stop him from saying what he said.  IMO, both came out ahead.  Also, Cruz at least had the decency to show up at the convention unlike all the other establishment types.  


If anyone is hanging themselves, it is Trump supporters making such a big deal about this.  As before, be good winners and act like your guy won the nomination.  Focus on the actual opponent in the next election rather than continuing to fight the last one.  

For me, my other Texas Senator is John Cornyn and I will take Cruz any day of the week over that guy.  

"Trump supporters didn't like him before"

The part you wrote that I put in bold font is untrue.  Poll after poll indicated that Trump supporters' favorite alternative to Trump (IOW, their #2 pick) was Cruz.  Cruz's self-defenestration onstage was just his latest forced error WRT Trump supporters who (had & may have still) viewed him positively.  Cruz has needlessly alienated folks who were willing to pivot to him in the primaries and were highly likely to in the future.

It turns out that the Trump campaign did its best to throw gasoline on Cruz's self-immolation:

Halfway through the week, the media had already decided this would go in the books as the Plagiarism and Scott Baio convention. The turn came when Trump and his campaign supremo Paul Manafort, who had been dickering behind the scenes with Ted Cruz about the Texas senator’s much-awaited Wednesday night speech, managed to turn Ted’s dislike to its advantage. What looked like it was going to be a stinging rebuke became a glistening glob of golden honey on Trump’s toast.

Manafort couldn’t convince Cruz to give an endorsement, but he knew exactly what Cruz was going to say. We all did. The entire transcript was sent out to the media before Cruz started speaking. There would be only one mention of Trump and it would be as frosty as the maniacal air conditioning that chilled the Q. “I want to congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night” was as far as Cruz would go. So Manafort and Co. decided, before the speech even started, that it would end with heckling. (Time magazine and other sources reported as much, citing anonymous sources. Manafort evidently tipped off Bloomberg reporter Mark Halperin, who Tweeted before the speech, “@PaulManafort owns the floor. Will be key at several moments tonight. Watch what @tedcruz says & the reaction.”
As Cruz approached the end, Cruz’s campaign manager Jeff Roe said on a Philadelphia radio show, the “active whip operation got active.” The New York delegates were whipped up by Team Trump to interrupt Cruz with shouts of “We want Trump,” finally booing him off the stage. Cruz, in portraying himself as the man of principle, looked like a louse on a skunk.

It was a genius move by Manafort that pulled off three astonishing tricks: for the media, which thinks of itself as a relentless detective agency discovering for the people’s benefit the “unscripted moments” that reveal everything, it gave them a perfectly crafted scene they over-hyped because they didn’t know it was staged. For the public, it gave them a new and irresistible reason to watch, in huge numbers, Trump’s speech the following night. And for Trump, it made him, for once, the innocent wronged victim instead of the bully — in the parlance of the professional wrestling shows that Trump used to participate in, the “heel” had become the “face.” That certified smartypants Cruz — Princeton ‘92, Harvard Law ‘95 — essentially blew himself up on live TV was for Manafort and Trump merely an amusing side benefit.

Cruz has provided the archetype for the smarty-pants who got himself pantsed by a less smart but more wise/wiley opponent.

[MechAg94]

"Trump supporters didn't like him before"

The part you wrote that I put in bold font is untrue.  Poll after poll indicated that Trump supporters' favorite alternative to Trump (IOW, their #2 pick) was Cruz.  Cruz's self-defenestration onstage was just his latest forced error WRT Trump supporters who (had & may have still) viewed him positively.  Cruz has needlessly alienated folks who were willing to pivot to him in the primaries and were highly likely to in the future.

It turns out that the Trump campaign did its best to throw gasoline on Cruz's self-immolation:

Cruz has provided the archetype for the smarty-pants who got himself pantsed by a less smart but more wise/wiley opponent.

I heard that also, but a lot of the commentary I saw once the race was Cruz vs Trump did not reflect that.  Maybe that was just a few people on the internet. 

At this point, Cruz supporters can either stay home or vote Trump.  I am hoping most go ahead and do the latter.  The worst case risks of a Trump Presidency are still better than Hilary.