Homosexuality: You will be made to care

[makattak]

http://religionnews.com/2016/08/22/on-lgbt-equality-middle-ground-is-disappearing/

It's always refreshing when those on the left admit their endgame:

It turns out that you are either for full and unequivocal social and legal equality for LGBT people, or you are against it, and your answer will at some point be revealed. This is true both for individuals and for institutions.

Neutrality is not an option. Neither is polite half-acceptance. Nor is avoiding the subject. Hide as you might, the issue will come and find you.

The sexual revolution will not be ignored. You must be for it or you will be treated as though you are opposed and punished.

Openly discriminatory religious schools and parachurch organizations will feel the pinch first. Any entity that requires government accreditation or touches government dollars will be in the immediate line of fire. Some organizations will face the choice either to abandon discriminatory policies or risk potential closure. Others will simply face increasing social marginalization.

Remember that "openly discriminatory" means "requiring members/employees to live the faith your organization represents". Actually living out the tenets of your faith will be forbidden. You can BELIEVE whatever you want, you just can't DO anything your beliefs prescribe. Keep your religion in your (prayer) closet! (A situation that is more than a little ironic.)

[White Horseradish]

by discriminatory" means "requiring members/employees to live the faith your organization represents". Actually living out the tenets of your faith will be forbidden. You can BELIEVE whatever you want, you just can't DO anything your beliefs prescribe. Keep your religion in your (prayer) closet! (A situation that is more than a little ironic.)

You can do what you want. You just can't suck on government's tit while doing it.

I see no problem with this.

[makattak]

You can do what you want. You just can't suck on government's tit while doing it.

I see no problem with this.

Ah yes, the "NOT TAXING CHARITABLE DONATIONS IS A SUBSIDY!!" argument.

[RevDisk]

You can do what you want. You just can't suck on government's tit while doing it.

I see no problem with this.

Ayep. While I think the SJW types are annoying and petty tyrants, my sympathy is limited for people that want money from the public and then wail like lost souls when it comes with conditions. If you take the King's shilling, you are the King's man.

[makattak]

Ayep. While I think the SJW types are annoying and petty tyrants, my sympathy is limited for people that want money from the public and then wail like lost souls when it comes with conditions. If you take the King's shilling, you are the King's man.

Or, if you don't give the King your shilling (that someone who already gave his shilling to the King gave to you), you're the King's man.

[Perd Hapley]

Ah yes, the "NOT TAXING CHARITABLE DONATIONS IS A SUBSIDY!!" argument.

Correct. To defend a left-wing viewpoint, they're thinking like left-wingers. They could also justify it as a tax on infidels. Churches that won't submit to Allah the state can just make up for it by paying a tax that those other churches don't pay. 'Cuz that's the true meaning of the separation of church and state, right?  

Also, I love how the government stays out of the morality business by only supporting adoption agencies, etc, that take certain moral positions. That's so freedomy.

[MechAg94]

You can do what you want. You just can't suck on government's tit while doing it.

I see no problem with this.

While I would like to end most or many of the government subsidies, getting govt funding shouldn't make you a slave with no rights. 

[RevDisk]

Or, if you don't give the King your shilling (that someone who already gave his shilling to the King gave to you), you're the King's man.

 

That said, I don't like the notion that the lynch mob should be able to destroy people's lives over an opinion. Or that places like Catholic universities or hospitals are told to violate their religion or close down. I still hold that if you take the government cash, don't be surprised when it doesn't play out like you want. That said, people could be remotely reasonable.

SJWs are horrible people based on their behavior alone, not even considering their ideology. The only nice thing about them is that they'll attack their own on occasion for not being up on the latest version of the groupthink. Though as long as one follows groupthink, petty felonies like rape, molestation or assault are "misunderstandings by the corrupt patriarchy" or whatnot.

[MillCreek]

We should also not forget that there are many people, probably the majority of the population, depending on whose polls you quote, who do not have religious, ethical, political or other objections to LGBT people and their activities.  APS would seem to be the outlier in this regard, which is not surprising given the overlap of the Venn diagrams between people who like firearms, political conservatives and religious conservatives.

[Perd Hapley]

We should also not forget that there are many people, probably the majority of the population, depending on whose polls you quote, who do not have religious, ethical, political or other objections to LGBT people and their activities.  APS would seem to be the outlier in this regard, which is not surprising given the overlap of the Venn diagrams between people who like firearms, political conservatives and religious conservatives.

And?

[Angel Eyes]

Another issue is the unequal enforcement of these regulations.  Churches that lean conservative-ish on social issues get the stink-eye from the IRS(1) while those that lean leftist (*cough* Jeremiah Wright *cough*) are allowed to be much more overtly political/partisan without consequence.



(1) A good friend of mine is the pastor of such a church.  He has . . . interesting . . . tales of harassment from the IRS and from state tax collectors, including demands that he provide them with transcripts of all his sermons.  His reply:  "My sermons are all on YouTube.  Watch them yourself."

[gunsmith]

im far more conservative then my pastor.
when i get around to going into phoenix to meet the closest members of my church ( I'm in Wickenburg AZ ) I bet they're a bit more conservative.
My Church seems to have all kinds but is Bible based so I doubt that we have openly gay members but lots of "Jesus loves you" but politely minding their own biz seems to be the norm.
I'm getting all riled up already, good to be back on APS

[Hawkmoon]

Remember that "openly discriminatory" means "requiring members/employees to live the faith your organization represents". Actually living out the tenets of your faith will be forbidden. You can BELIEVE whatever you want, you just can't DO anything your beliefs prescribe. Keep your religion in your (prayer) closet! (A situation that is more than a little ironic.)

Equally important, you may be required to DO things your beliefs PROscribe.

[roo_ster]

im far more conservative then my pastor.
when i get around to going into phoenix to meet the closest members of my church ( I'm in Wickenburg AZ ) I bet they're a bit more conservative.
My Church seems to have all kinds but is Bible based so I doubt that we have openly gay members but lots of "Jesus loves you" but politely minding their own biz seems to be the norm.
I'm getting all riled up already, good to be back on APS

Welcome back!

Ah yes, the "NOT TAXING CHARITABLE DONATIONS IS A SUBSIDY!!" argument.

Hear, hear!  Don't you know that it is all rightfully government's money and they should be grateful government lets them keep any of it?

Another issue is the unequal enforcement of these regulations.  Churches that lean conservative-ish on social issues get the stink-eye from the IRS(1) while those that lean leftist (*cough* Jeremiah Wright *cough*) are allowed to be much more overtly political/partisan without consequence.

Or lean Muslim.  Because the SJWs and social liberals fear getting killed by Muslims.  And blacks.

The rational & calculating man would observe this behavior and conclude that Christian organizations (to get the same level of respect and treatment from bureaucritters, SJWs, and social liberals) ought to take up similar levels of religiously/ethnically-inspired violence.  

Incentives matter.  Try not to act all surprised when folk change their behavior when they see others' violence rewarded.

[Scout26]

The separation of Church and State cuts both ways.  If Rrligion is not allowed in the public space, then the public space is not allowed in religion.  To include taxes.