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Re: Tiangong-1 space station - Uncontrolled landing in 2017
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2016, 05:42:06 PM »
I'm thinking they are using phosgene and they will set the nuke off in the atmosphere at 230's coordinates
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Re: Tiangong-1 space station - Uncontrolled landing in 2017
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2016, 11:36:33 AM »
Well, by "nuclear components," I meant things like nuclear power supplies, not necessarily explosive devices.

I assume by low ballistic coefficient, birdman means "smallish, low-density, round objects."

I'll go along with that in the full set of variables involved.

Like throwing a balled-up paper wad across the room, as opposed to throwing a marble of the same weight.

And yes, those are the coordinates of the geographic center of the contiguous United States.

At first glance, they look like the coordinates of a random place, but have more significance than that.

The "center" is in South Dakota, if you include Hawaii and Alaska.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_center_of_the_contiguous_United_States

I found this amusing:

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Method of measurement[edit]

In 1918, the Coast and Geodetic Survey found this location by balancing on a point a cardboard cutout shaped like the U.S.[5] Incredibly, this method was accurate to within 20 miles, but while the Geodetic Survey no longer endorses any location as the center of the U.S., the identification of Lebanon, Kansas has remained.

That's better than 1% accuracy, figuring 20/3000 miles.
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Re: Tiangong-1 space station - Uncontrolled landing in 2017
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2016, 12:36:50 PM »
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That's better than 1% accuracy, figuring 20/3000 miles.

There you go with your 1% cis-privilege, geo-shaming other less coordinate fortunate locations.
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Re: Tiangong-1 space station - Uncontrolled landing in 2017
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2016, 02:36:23 PM »

I assume by low ballistic coefficient, birdman means "smallish, low-density, round objects."

Ballistic coefficient is Mass/(CdA).
Think of it as mass per unit drag.

One can have:
small, high BC objects (rifle bullets)
Small, low BC objects (pistol bullets)
(Both of the above with the same mass)

Large high BC objects (ICBM RV's)
Large low BC objects (spheres or aero-stable blunt bodies)
(Both of the above with the same mass)

Basically, terminal velocity is a direct function of BC.
A high BC object will have a lower peak heating rate as it slows down substantially in the upper atmosphere, while a high BC object will be going faster, lower, and thus have a higher peak heating.

So as long as you make something "fluffy" it doesn't hit that high of an acceleration or heating.  This is why things like an inflatable ballute can be used for re-entry.  Get the BC low enough and you can keep the heating rate low and level out the acceleration if it's a shallow trajectory.

Conversely, a very streamlined, 20cm dia X 20m long (12 tons) tungsten telephone pole would have a hypersonic terminal velocity of close to 2.5-3km/s, and would actually -speed up- from orbital velocity until it hit about 60-70,000ft, even if vertical!

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Re: Tiangong-1 space station - Uncontrolled landing in 2017
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2016, 04:38:23 PM »
Basically, terminal velocity is a direct function of BC.
A high low BC object will have a lower peak heating rate as it slows down substantially in the upper atmosphere, while a high BC object will be going faster, lower, and thus have a higher peak heating.


Correction!  Thanks 230RN for pointing my error out.  You win 1 birdman point  =)

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Re: Tiangong-1 space station - Uncontrolled landing in 2017
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2016, 01:36:14 AM »
Thanks !  That leaves me with only -17 birdman points to eliminate.
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